What are the criteria? How is what we did to the native americans any morally superior to say, for example, if Mexico or Canada were to forcibly push U.S. citizens off their land so that they could expand their territory?

What are the criteria? That's what I started this thread for, to hammer ...

So is it more of a bad deed for someone to kill 100 people in Somalia or for someone to kill your best spouse? Is it more of a bad deed for 10,000 British to be killed in a war or 10 American soldiers? Is it more of a bad deed for you to die or your neighbor to die?

That depends on why they ...

MT, there was a tough situation in existance when the American Government came into conflict with native americans. Perhaps we can't expect a government to just admit they're on someone else's land and back away, especially not then. That's obvious. It happened. That doesn't make it right.

I didn ...

I take it then, that if I occupy your living room, and we fail to get along, the only option is to forcibly remove the Med Techs???

You're comparing apples and oranges again. Has everyone lost all sense of proportionality and historical context???

You're speaking about expediency; the thread is ...

I was basically asking why you thought that the fact we set up a government in the middle of Cherokee land made it ok to then displace them.

Because settlers and NAs were developing the nasty habit of killing eachother. Since the federal government had and has a responsibility to protect its ...

Med Tech,

My comments are to question why does one atrocity go down in the history books as a holocaust or great evil, and the other does not? My answer is because the winners wrote the history books and determined what an evil is. Med Tech by you denying the fact that what happened to the Native ...

I don't think the question is whether Georgia was a state or not. The question is whether that gives them the right to displace the Cherokee. In my book, We did not have a right to the land to begin with, we just conquered for it. Whether the supreme court said it was okay or not is irrelevant to ...

I sent them an email telling them about the different fish products I'm gonna eat every day this week in observance of PETA's latest stupidity campaign.

"2. The US expelled the Cherokee from Goergia, an established state of the union."

Are you serious?

Well, yes, Ian, I am serious. As proof that Georgia was an established state of the Union, I present Cherokee Nation v State of Georgia, a U.S. Supreme Court case, in 1831.

Kinda makes it apples ...

Not sure I follow how illegal immigration for manual labor will cause physicists to loose interest in research positions and how and influx of manual labor will leave us with manual tasks undone..

Illegal immigration makes it harder for pro-immigration laws to be passed that would bring in fresh ...

I know that those jumping borders aren't headed into R&D. The international brain drain is more a concern with those seeking visas for education here. The illegals DO perform a lot of desired manual labor here. A lot of people who bitch about them happily receive cleaning and lawn care on the cheap ...

quote] - Borowitz Report

- Bill[/quote]

For a minute, I thought that was from the Onion... That's pretty funny. I think Chirac is in for another four years of impotence.

“Now, if you can argue that Jackson intended to move the Native Americans with the goal to up-end them, destroy their culture, and eliminate them by attrition, then you could say he was evil”


I would be willing to say that was exactly the goal.
The goal was to up end the Native American and ...

On another note... Putting quotes around the word "culture" when referring to Native Americans is a little insulting.

Panther, it was not my intent to insult or demean the culture of Native Americans. I have a personal beef with the use of casinos by tribes through huge legal loopholes that help ...

Not anymore. There's official policy on this. It's based on two things. Because the military has demonstrated this has no bearing on efficiency as soldiers, what's left is the possibility of blackmail (which is absurd, because what you want then is open and not closeted soldiers; can't blackmail ...