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gmattson wrote:AND, NOW, ITS 2011 -- 34 YEARS LATER -- AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS "NECESSARY" DEPARTMENT IS AT $24.2 BILLION A YEAR. IT HAS 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, AND LOOK AT THE JOB IT HAS DONE! THIS IS WHERE YOU SLAP YOUR FOREHEAD AND SAY, "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?"
Bill Glasheen wrote:Our military keeps the Persian Gulf and Suez Canal open.
Glenn wrote:So give up on the concept of energy independence, it ain't a gonna happen. Even the eventual replacements for fossil fuels will likely be globally traded.
Valkenar wrote:Bill Glasheen wrote:
Our military keeps the Persian Gulf and Suez Canal open.
the suez canal is so open to us because...
Bill Glasheen wrote:Isn't it interesting that pretty much everything mentioned in this thread is "fact" and yet different people can choose their own collection of facts to confirm their own personal perspectives of the world?
Bill Glasheen wrote:What can a government do? Consider this. We make some things (like fighter airplanes) domestically because that's in our best interest to defend the nation. Imagine outsourcing the building of our tanks and planes and communication systems to a country that one day in the future becomes our enemy. You get the idea.
mhosea wrote:You are using a sort of strawman definition of "energy independence". The fact that energy traded globally is compatible with energy independence. It's about not being vulnerable.
Maybe it's easier to understand if you think about food.
mhosea wrote:Naturally you don't want to replace crude oil imports with some other import, so we would be talking about some kind of domestic production, and if we could make enough of it to export some of it, so much the better!
Glenn wrote:mhosea wrote:Naturally you don't want to replace crude oil imports with some other import, so we would be talking about some kind of domestic production, and if we could make enough of it to export some of it, so much the better!
So yes, this model does exist, but are we willing to nationalize energy production to accomplish it?
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