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jorvik wrote:I found in Wing chun people who did meaningless katas that had no relevance to what they did......and folks, who when they fought looked like they were doing their katas ......and I've seem this in a lot of Southern stykes. I thnk that is a rule of thumb, if it does not look like you are doing your kata when you fight/spar then you are either not doing a style, or your style has lost it's way
Habit 2: Begin with the End in Mind
Habit 2 is based on imagination--the ability to envision in your mind what you cannot at present see with your eyes. It is based on the principle that all things are created twice. There is a mental (first) creation, and a physical (second) creation. The physical creation follows the mental, just as a building follows a blueprint. If you don't make a conscious effort to visualize who you are and what you want in life, then you empower other people and circumstances to shape you and your life by default. It's about connecting again with your own uniqueness and then defining the personal, moral, and ethical guidelines within which you can most happily express and fulfill yourself. Begin with the End in Mind means to begin each day, task, or project with a clear vision of your desired direction and destination, and then continue by flexing your proactive muscles to make things happen.
The problem you articulate, Ray, comes about when people who practice their art don't have a clear vision of how it should be effective and what they should be striving for.
Using this chess analogy to describe why boxers use shadow boxing might seem odd, but it’s as good an analogy as I can produce. Shadow boxing trains the mind, it enables free-thinking and allows the creation of any scenario possible. In fact, the strength and effectiveness of shadow boxing is based upon the absence of a physical opponent.
look at this guy an old teacher of mine
you see him sparring, and it looks like Wing chun,it doesn't look like anything else, and you can clearly see the influence of the forms, although forms are only a part of Wing chun ( some would say a minor part)
It doesn't look like Thai boxing, yet what if I told you that this guy was a champion thai Boxer in one of the most respected Gyms in the country?
but he is using wing chun, there are many other examples of this look at these guys.
look at these guys from Henry Su's Mantis club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlInJFHw5mQ again it only looks like Mantis , it doesn't look like the wing chun before
and look at this Pak Mei
Again different.no vanilla kung fu here.....................these styles are different, you can see that, and their kata are different.that's entirely my point
jorvik wrote:Well Wing chun changes all the time, you have to know the lineage rather than the name......take a look at this guy
jorvik wrote:not so Bill, this is standard chinese Wrestling "shuai jiao " that you see,mixed in with Sticking hands practice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGjARw6l ... 1&index=12
I once asked GrandMaster Sam Kwouk if there were any throws or Chi na in Wing Chun, or secret techniques...he said notl
Sifu Wang Zhi Peng wrote:All Chinese Kung Fu they all include Kick, Hit, Throw, Locking.
Sifu Wang Zhi Peng wrote:A kick is not only a kick. A hit is not only a hit. A throw is not only a throw. Not a single skill can be omitted. All are linked.
Time for some housecleaning in your brain. Take the two arts and blend them into one. Put yin and yang together as one whole. Otherwise you've got a clusterfuk in-between your ears, and won't be able to draw information under extreme neuro-hormonal stimulation because the synapses just aren't accessible. That concept as well needs to be considered here. It's not just the "THAT'S NOT UECHI!!!!!!" or "THAT'S NOT WING CHUN!!!" tired old argument. It's a matter of conditioning the brain to act in a unique neuro-hormonal state. Life-threatening situations aren't the gymnasium where all is safe and the brain can ponder. It's very, very different. Operant conditioning is in order so we can short-cut the OODA loop. Teaching the body to do more with less is in order so we can minimize our choices and thus minimize reaction time (see Hick's Law).
MikeK wrote:From the WC guys I know a lot if not most lineages do not have chin na ( or at least don't emphasize it), a few do. But for the most part the WC guys I've trained with did not like most locks as they break WC principles, and those boys do like their principles.
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