George I apologize, especially to J.D. I was doing nothing more than enjoying the debate, which really wasn't much,since I am in way over my head anyway and know it. This discussion could go on forever, my not understanding half of what he says and me only giving my lowly opinions. You know me, my foot was born in my mouth. BTW J.D.'s last post about learning common sense, I agree, I was wrong in stating common sense cannot be learned. I meant it can not be learned necessarily through formal education. My parents and the way I was brought up were the key for me, and as J.D says, living through all life experiences, including books. I do believe that most of the problems today come from the lack of common sense, from the home right up through our government. If it's right, it's right, if it's wrong, it's wrong. Ok, who determines right from wrong? That's a problem. Again if I insulted someone or shouted at them, sorry, it was all meant to be in fun. I always have a smile on my face when I am typing here.