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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:33 pm

Sochin>>

Never ever use the front of your vehicle to bump anything except the bonehead with the bat. If you've put a whole in your radiator and it's time to leave you won't get far before the motor overheats seizes etc..

If bonehead decides to pursue you ,your life may end on a lonely road with your skull in fragments.

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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:36 pm

If bonehead decides to pursue you ,your life may end on a lonely road with your skull in fragments.


A good reason to keep a real weapon in your car to use in the gravest extreme.

Like an old 1911 .45

But many karate people are antigun.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:03 am

If bonehead decides to pursue you ,your life may end on a lonely road with your skull in fragments.


A good reason to keep a real weapon in your car to use in the gravest extreme.

Like an old 1911 .45

But many karate people are antigun.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:13 am

yoseikan »

As a police officer and martial artist I feel that the best defense in any road rage situation is to simply drive away calmly.

I wonder how many people are sitting in a prison somewhere today who wish they had just done that. If you can't do that, then try to apologize from inside your car through a cracked window.

Most offending people get into these aggressive postures by "dehumanizing" the driver they feel has wronged them. They think the person is an "idiot", "a stupid this and that", etc., but once they see the other driver as a real person, and not a threat to them, they often feel like the jerk they have behaved like and begin to settle down.

"Hey buddy sorry, was just a mistake, no hard feelings" can go a long way towards defusing the situation, and also a long way in your favor in court if you end up there.

If you do find yourself up against a bat, and cannot retreat, then my opinion is that I agree with the posters above who advocate closing the distance when appropriate and thus taking the leverage out of the swing.

The force he can generate decreases greatly as you move away from the end of the bat, which is the fastest moving section. Remember, Force=mass x velocity squared. Velocity is the most important part of generating force with a club.

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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:12 pm

Tactical Communication

Darren Laur »

An instructor once said (don't remember who, but very powerful statement); " If you can get them to talk, you can persuade them to walk". It has been my experience that if I can get a meaningful verbal interaction going between me and the threat, I will likely bring about a successful resolution to the situation.

The "KEY" here is to get them to talk

It is my belief that the key skill in negotiation, during the pre-contact phase of a confrontation, is to dovetail outcomes.

What do I mean by this ?, you need to fit the negotiation process together, so that everyone involved gets what they want. Obviously, the "presupposition" here is that the best way to achieve your outcome is to make sure that everyone involved achieves theirs as well.

In my opinion, if you can allow a person to "save face" it will allow for a win/win situation in the majority of cases.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:14 pm

Darren Laur>>

Negotiation, however, is going to be different from person to person depending upon their specific "modality" of communication. If I'm attempting to de-escalate a situation verbally in the pre-contact phase, then I had better be communicating in a "modality" (language of the subconscious) that my threat(s) understand.

Notice I said threat(s). In a multiple opponent situation, you may have to use a variety of modalities. I would, however, recommend that you target the language modality of the leader if possible, because he/she makes the call in a pack mentality.

If you do not communicate in a modality understood by your threat, it will make the person technically "deaf" to your verbal attempts at de-escalation.


The Communication Language Of The Subconscious (modalities):
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:17 pm

Darren Laur >>

The Communication Language Of The Subconscious (modalities):

There are three primary communication modalities that we should be aware of; Visual, Auditory, kinesthetic (VAK):

1. Visuals:

Visuals understand what you say by what they see. Remember that these types of people turn words into pictures and images. Because of this fact, they understand communication best when it paints a picture for them. This type of communicator will say things like:

-"I wonder what you will look like once I'm through with you"
- "The look on your face shows me your scared ****less"
- "When I'm done with you, you will look like ground beef"
- Usually have high pitched and/or strained tonality
- Will usually show quick bursts of words and generally have a fast tempo
- Predicates(words) for the visual include:

- Appear
- Disappear
- Foresee
- Imagine
- Overview
- Scope
- Vague
- Enlighten
- Wee
- Clear
- Show
- Watch
- Look

Phrases that visuals might use include:

- I see what you mean
- That's not clear to me
- Don't keep me in the dark
- Point out what you mean
- I am just seeing red
- Just give me the big picture
- Get a new perspective on this matter

These phrases could also be the template that you can work from when communicating with a Visual in the de-escalation stage.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:18 pm

Darren Laur>>

2. Auditory

Auditories are sound based people. They get more information from how you say things than by what you show them. How you say what you say (paralinguistics) are more important than you content. Working like a tape recorder, Auditories play back recordings to get an idea of what you are saying.

- "I'm going to make you squeal like a stuck pig"¨
- " You cry and sound like a little baby"
- Will have clear resonant tonality
- Tempo will be even and rhythmic
- Predicates (words) used by the Auditory include:

- Whisper
- Babble
- Ringing
- Noisy
- Buzz
- Earshot
- Listen
- Sound
- Quiet

Auditory Phrases might include:

- I hear you loud and clear
- Don't give me any static on this
- It was music to my ears
- It was as clear as a bell
- It was all double talk
- Are we in tune with each other


Again, these phrases could be used as templates for you to use as well if dealing with an Auditory in the de-escalation phase.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:22 pm

Darren Laur>>

3. Kinesthetic


Kinesthetic make decisions by how they feel rather than by what they see or hear. Information comes predominately from touch, feeling, emotions, gut instincts more than from what you say.
These types will get an instant feeling of like or dislike when around you. When they feel good about a situation, they will buy into it

- Kinesthetic talk about feelings in their communication. "I can't seem to handle this situation because it makes me feel so stressed" or " that person just rubs me the wrong way"

- this is going to make me feel so good¡¨
- Predicates (words) used include
- Feel
- Handle
- Firm
- Hard
- Soft
- Touch
- Catch poke
- Strike
- Hit
- Press
- Stumble through

- Kinesthetic phrases might include:
- I get the point
- I can't grasp it
- That strikes me right
- It hit me like a ton of bricks
- I need to back off
- He just rubs me the wrong way


Again, these phrases can be used as templates in the de-escalation phase


Once you understand communication modalities of the threat, now you can start modeling your communication style with theirs thus creating understanding and rapport. If someone is painting a picture using visual words, when speaking to that person, you should paint them a picture as well.

If they are talking about how things sound or feel to them, speak in similar terms. Remember, if you treat a visual like a kinesthetic, the visual simply won’t respond. You have to be able to recognize this and shift into the modality that allows you to communicate more effectively. Once you have accomplished this, you can now begin to use specific communication techniques with appropriate modalities:
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:46 pm

Darren Laur>>

Some Communication Techniques I Use:

- Ask people to repeat what they said. " I'm sorry I didn't quite catch that, would you please repeat that again"¨ This allows one to think, formulate a plan and to clarify a problem

- Ask questions, who, what, where, when, how, and why. Again clarifies an issue and shows concern

- Interrupt by using their name if able. A person's first name is the most important name in the dictionary due to the fact that it allows you to personalize the contact

- Use "we" instead of "I", when using we it indicates that what you are saying is not an order. Instead of saying "I want you to go over there so that I can talk to you" maybe rephrase "why don't we go over here and discuss this"

- The use of a pattern Interruption technique. This can be very useful in derailing a person's thought process from something that was pissing them off.

These happen all the time in our lives. In the middle of a conversation someone enters your officer and interrupts your thought process often causing amnesia. Not uncommon to hear a person say ¡§ now, where was I, I've lost my train of thought.

Pattern interrupts are most effective if you use them just as the trouble or problem begins. At that point, a pattern interrupt can be used to stop the trouble before it starts. By breaking the flow in the behavior conversation, you may rescue it before it turns sour. A pattern interrupt could include, coughing, sneezing, dropping something, swatting a bug, exclaiming, loud noise ect.

- Matching predicates or Buzz words
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 pm

Darren Laur>>

One must remember that there is a time for talking and a time for fighting. If I'm fighting, I WILL not be talking.

Wars have been started over words, and what was said by both sides.

In the pre-contact phase, where communication is a valuable tool for de-escalation (where appropriate and reasonable to do so) , one needs to become just as skilled in art and science of communication, as they are their physical combatives.


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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:56 pm

How will you know

And when will you know that the fight is on?

You might be at the "woof" stage, you might sense you are in for it, and you deny it, and as you deny it and cope with the denial, you will be ambushed and astonished.

One thing that Tony Blauer drove home forcefully during his seminar at Gary’s dojo, was the fact that all fights, all over the world start/happen the same way.

Only in the martial arts world fights happen the way they imagine and train in accordance with their styles.

He also pointed out that in the martial arts we train to believe that our techniques will always stop the opponent somehow.

In the real world what do you do when you have hit your opponent with some of your best shots and he doesn’t fall/stop?
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:57 pm

Let’s come up with ideas on the likely locations you will be attacked or confronted and how will the attack come to you.

What chance do you stand being attacked in the future while living your life like a normal person without hiding in exile from potential dangers?

Will the fight be an ambush or will the opponent[s] want something first from you, thus the “woof” _

I know all the talk about “awareness” but Tony says that all attacks in the street are “psychological surprises”__ no matter how you think you are prepared, you will be subjected to sudden panic.

I believe he is right when he says that all the traditional and cross training we do, as good as it is; it will always remain nothing but a toolbox.

It is the accessing of those tools in the fighting environment suddenly upon you that counts.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:59 pm

Tony
Few people realize that you can’t spontaneously match the adrenaline dump of your attacker. It takes a few moments for your brain to shift psychological gears. To presumptuously assume that you will fly into technique XYZ during a sudden attack is foolhardy. The dojo and the street are different realities.


The ranges will be totally different than what you are used to or think they will be in the street.

As he explains it, if you videotape a good realistic panic attack drill, with you being attacked by a strong untrained person, suddenly, trying to hit you and take you to the ground, you will see a lack of “traditional techniques” in your response.

What you will see work best, against a formidable adversary, are techniques that occur incidentally or accidentally, almost never deliberately.


In my view, you will also see that “technique” will be reduced to primal instincts and very basic gross motor.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:01 am

Brett »

Outside a Stadium

Either after a concert or to and from a sporting event.

Being an Atlanta Falcons fan walking to and from the stadium to see them play at the Panther's stadium in Charlotte, I have been verbally harassed and been close to being unwillingly caught up in a confrontation with multiple wanabe bad boys.

My dad and I, thank God, have been able to verbally defuse the situation and procede.

I could see a getting blind sided very easily in that situation.

After a concert that served alcohol I have witnessed many-a-rumble. A friend of mine was bumped pretty hard while leaving and he mumbled "easy buddy" next thing we knew "buddy" punched his lights out from behind.

Security got him but my friend had a splitting headache the next day. Slight concussion absolutely no warning what-so-ever.

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