Uechi-Ryu.com

Discussion Area
It is currently Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:39 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2000 6:01 am
Posts: 412
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA
Fight, flight, freeze. Denial, over-confidence, muscle memory, "fight like we train", dojo sparring vs reality-----

Sensei VanCanna cautioned us about similar subjects a million times, but there is no harm to remind ourselves again and again, and here it is again. Without enough repetitions, your mind will go AWOL when the nasty stuff hits the fan- unless you are a natural born fighter or a brainless thug. If you are, please skip the rest.

The attached video is about self defense with firearms, the basic concept on mindset however, is no different from that for empty hand self defense. The video is too long, so just watch the first 15 or 20 minutes, unless you want to check out his DVD.

Besides FFF, he also brought up denial and over-confidence as two of the biggest problems.

How about dojo practice (he uses shooting range) vs out there on the streets? We have heard "you fight like you train" often enough. If all you practice are point sparring and wimpy punches and kicks, that will be the best you do when the nasty stuff hits the fan out on the street, albeit minus about 25% of the effectiveness (if any) due to the adrenaline. Good enough for self defense you think?

Sure we have all heard of "muscle memory". Are you getting the most effective techniques you know into your muscle memory? Can you count on the numerous secret and deadly techniques you have will automatically pop up and defeat the bad guy in a street attack? I can tell you now: It will not happen if you do not have the proper mindset and do not get two or three simplest and most effective techniques you know into your muscle memory. By the way, the more techniques you have, or, the more complicated your technique, the more confused and more frozen you will be.

http://concealedcarryconfidence.org/con ... fgodbyIA1w

Happy new year. Be safe.

_________________
Henry Thom
www.EmptyHandsDefense.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:57 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:48 am
Posts: 461
Ok haven't watched the clip yet but will but ....

There is always a better way to train.

every thing you ingrain with a safety valve has a flaw , but we need the flaw , then we need to address the flaw so we change what we ingrain , we minimise the flaw , or compensate in another way, another drill, and yes another flaw.

this is why some are happy with certain drills and others are not , it's simply where your at and what your at .... If you cant answer why , you should(if you have a solid foundation) be asking why.

I honestly don't see how some can stick with a style so long without see any flaws , simply the work hasn't been done , all the masters I respect are masters at getting beyond the style and into the realist headspace , the intent the tactics , the personal approach required to make a personal efficacy.

a student of violence first , then your art

of course you may find yourself outside of any mainstream martial art if the art doesn't come first.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
Self protection is serious business.

Cultivating the abilities to...

1.Identify potential harmful events as they may be unfolding_

2. Predict how and where in time and space such unfolding event will find you_

3.Decide in a microsecond the proper action needed to survive the event_

4. Execute the action without a 'mind stall.

~~~~

...is what your 'mindset' should be at.

Here's one example:

Yesterday as I was driving on route 95 in the right travel lane at 70 MPH going along with traffic_ I noticed a black pick up truck stopped on soft shoulder of the highway, a couple of feet from the right travel lane.

I was about 150 yards back approaching the truck's position and instinctively moved over to left passing lane to go by it as wide as possible.

Other cars kept going by the truck ahead of me on the right travel lane.

Something was telling me this truck would suddenly accelerate to enter the right travel lane from the soft shoulder cutting off traffic.

Sure enough, as I was about 50 yards away, The black truck spun its wheels kicking up dust and shot into the right lane cutting off a small car approaching about 40 feet from behind.

Fortunately the small car was able to swerve out of the way but it was close.

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
As time goes by for any martial arts practitioner_ an insidious enemy to protect from is the one called 'lofty expectations'...

It's like the feeling of entitlement from our martial arts practice that we deserve a penthouse in the world of make believe.

The reality world is a totally different animal...as like in a relationship for example...if their mom is calling they'll drop everything...or they just won't stop texting...

I like what Jeff Brooks sensei, writes about the importance of our practice 'polish' to bring about a revelation of defects in our habits of movement and of mind.

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
Another example of living in a 'penthouse of a world of make believe' unfortunately befell a hapless martial arts black belt who was set upon in the stairwell of a building late at night as he was leaving his 'new girlfriend's apartment.

This is the same case that I investigated as reported on these pages several times over the years.

The girlfriend's ex...was a Jamaican gang banger...who ambushed the black belt...rolled down the stairs with him in a clinch...and upon reaching the vestibule_ cut his throat and took off.

Tenants of the various apartments on the way down were awakened by the horrible screams for help 'he is killing me' of the black belt_ but remained frozen in fear...one of them even had a shotgun nearby but could not bring himself to reach for it.

When some of them eventually went out to see what had happened...they were overwhelmed by the shock of the remains of the black belt with his throat cut... blood on the floor, walls and ceiling of the small vestibule...

Tenants were afraid to even go on record as to call the police...one of them went outside and flagged down a passing car asking for police assistance.

Hard to describe to you in words, the nightmarish state of the property and the state of mind of the building owner and tenants when I got there the next morning to investigate...

The fear of 'standing out' in any type of investigation by police or private investigators...was so severe that it was almost palpable.

Think about it...what would you have done in the shoes of the victim...in the shoes of the tenants when hearing cries for help...in the shoes of the tenants when approached by investigators for interviews??

Would any of us in the shoes of the tenants feel any guilt for failure to respond to cries of help?

This is the twilight zone of violence...far removed from your 'lofty penthouse'

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:15 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:48 am
Posts: 461
Van your pages have been so valuable strictly because of their honesty .

we are all fallible all fragile , no matter or perceived skills it can be over in a blink.

we dont see what we dont see , we dont know what we dont know .

So much effort in martial circles arguing about the right way , about the illusion of the right way

when the way wasn't the invincible style or technique or secret , but the way was being the best you you can be , and damn the consequences.

Now if your studying self protection that is something else again , but it has to be built on that lesson to be it's most effective.

as you get better you should be more understanding and cognizant of just how frail life is , confidence in being some sort of master .... well .....

It's always been about narrowing the odds , best practice , better understanding , better awareness and better attitude.

then layer a can of whoop ass on that .....

As to how we'd handle the un-handleable , I know folks who have been in real murk but it's the person not the art at that stage and there is always chance , you want a guarantee you might get one with a toaster.

It's like driving a race car , some are better than others , but only a fool thinks that pushing the limit is ever having things safely under control.

but working on us is how we increase our chances , and it begs to reason are we working on us ?

what are we working on , with , and for


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
Solid post Stryke, Thanks.

1. It all really comes down to what you say here: What are we working on and what for?

Many practitioners will say their interest in karate/etc., has not much to do with self protection as opposed to practicing a discipline with a view to master and art form, whatever 'mastering' may mean to each individually. And if so, there is nothing wrong with this at all…I can understand their motivation, if true, their pride in a style, association, training methods etc./something to be respected.

Then …Some practitioners don't give much thought to tactical self protection believing that all that is really ever needed is etched in their particular style of practice and it will emerge magically against all foes and all perils. This is the overconfidence factor that can lead to punctured high expectations and maybe a couple of internal life sustaining organs.

When we see what fate befell that black belt in my story, one wonders if he might have been under such delusive influence…maybe not…but let's think about the many tactical mistakes he made…I am not sure too many readers will even grasp those mistakes.

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
What Jeffrey Brooks writes here should give much reflection
Quote:
In a traditional approach to karate there is a set curriculum. People are introduced to certain techniques and certain kata at each stage of their progress. For a while accumulation of new knowledge is emphasized.

However, if their attachment to accumulation is not set aside, ironic as it may seem, the practitioner will not get any better.

Their minds will never quiet down enough to find peace, enough to tune in to the students, training partners or opponents they face. Their body will fail to develop deep muscle memory, fail to connect with the mind and the will.

They will fail to achieve deep skill, the capacity for spontaneous action and self-command. They will become arrogant, insecure and brittle.

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:59 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:48 am
Posts: 461
Van Canna wrote:
What Jeffrey Brooks writes here should give much reflection
Quote:
In a traditional approach to karate there is a set curriculum. People are introduced to certain techniques and certain kata at each stage of their progress. For a while accumulation of new knowledge is emphasized.

However, if their attachment to accumulation is not set aside, ironic as it may seem, the practitioner will not get any better.

Their minds will never quiet down enough to find peace, enough to tune in to the students, training partners or opponents they face. Their body will fail to develop deep muscle memory, fail to connect with the mind and the will.

They will fail to achieve deep skill, the capacity for spontaneous action and self-command. They will become arrogant, insecure and brittle.


great post Van , good quote .

Now if we stop a minute and consider what traditional really means maybe they were closer to the mark ...

Now three kata and real spontaneous fighting drills and conditioning , less material and more operant conditioning , more repitition and muscle memory.

of course this doesn't fit the modern karate template , with many gradings and more material to fit the testing ,

It is my beleif there is a middle ground between self protection and the art aspects of Martial arts.

IMHO the original masters had it right.

Doing more with less.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
Good post, Marcus, and I agree 100%

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
And now we read in the papers that a 'gentle giant' turned mean on his neighbors killing three of them with his empty hands.

We as martial arts practitioners must ever be vigilant, regardless of our training, against the real 'face' of random violence and 'primal ape' attacks where no degree of empty hands skills will do much good.

Image

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
My company insured this pizza shop under a liability policy.

An employee of the shop was from a section of Italy known for settling differences at the point of blades.

The employee and his lovely wife lived in an apartment complex with his next door tenant being of a different nationality, whose wife disliked the habit of the lovely Italian wife to hang out her intimate garments out to dry on a clothes line out in the common yard below.

There was a suggestion that this neighbor's wife might have caught her husband masturbating while looking out the window down at the flapping intimate undergarments in the breeze.

This neighbor was a big man and he trained martial arts.

So the two wives disliked each other and argued constantly about the days of their lives in close proximity to one another in the building.

One day the neighbor's wife complained in tears to her martial artist husband that she had been called 'names' by the 'flapping undergarments' wife next door.

Well, the martial artist husband had a great idea: grab a buddy, walk to the pizza shop, wait for a slow business moment, place the buddy to stand guard at the shop's entrance, then go in and give his Italian neighbor_ working the shop _a good beating. That would solve the problem of the arguing wives...but of course.


Great idea, No? After all this martial artist thought he lived in one of those 'Penthouse apartments' festooned with all kinds of martial arts memorabilia...it doesn't get any better than that. He even wore 'karate' jackets and drove a 'karate car'...what was there to worry about??

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mindset - FFF
PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 11, 1999 6:01 am
Posts: 30702
Down to the pizza shop marching they go, bristling with 'confidence' and bravado.

_ the shop empty of customers early morning_

the stupid buddy is now posted at the entrance door_

the martial artist walks into the shop and, reaching over the counter, grabs his neighbor by the throat to choke him out. Great technique...he might have learned that one in the 'penthouse'...

I can only imagine the bewildered look on his face when he first felt something go wrong with his belly.

The shop worker, while being choked out, had reached down the counter and in one smooth move, had grabbed his pizza slicing knifeImage

and showed it right through his left side of the belly with the point of the blade coming out of his back.

He then pulled the knife out _ and_ with blood dropping from the blade, gave chase out on the street after the hapless 'door guard' now running for his life.

Image

_________________
Van


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group