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 Post subject: Egos and training
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:22 am 
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I really enjoyed reading this below, because it forces introspection.

http://www.policeone.com/police-trainer ... id=6113558

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The King of Fools
Trainers themselves fall into the same mindset as their supervisors at times. They want to run their training kingdom without interference from supervisors above or from influences outside. Many feel that their agency is self sufficient when it comes to training trainers.

If you limit training to what you have always done, how do you grow? If your training cadre is managed by an individual who does not like to be challenged, what type of trainers will he surround himself with? Another saying comes to mind, “Surround yourself with idiots and you become the King of Fools. Surround yourself with excellence and it will rub off on you.”

Some wish to be King so bad that they would prefer to be the King of Fools.

If, as a training supervisor, I do not allow my instructors to go out and be externally influenced, I will never have to worry about being questioned or told that we can be doing better or that what we have been doing may be wrong.

A true leader, however, would prefer to be told what goes on in the world so that he can make a sound decision as to his future progress and endeavors. Ultimately those we train benefit from a well-trained and -educated training staff.


Do you think this might be also true for karate teachers?
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Conflict and Courageous Conversations:

If all you ever do is what you have always done, you will never get more than what you already have. Few things anger me more than someone answering a “why” question with, “Because we’ve always done it this way.”

There is no learning or higher understanding gleaned from that response. If you are a person who offers that as an answer (or accepts that as an answer), you need to step back and rethink what you are doing in your position.

I know many trainers who are considered experts and are well respected across the nation in fields of use of force, firearms and defensive tactics (many of whom are authors for a host of respected publications, books, and columns here PoliceOne).

The little-known fact about all of these highly-respected trainers is that they are not (or were not) in good graces with their agencies. Not prophets in their own land! They were (or are being) run off. Certainly not being nurtured for their initiative, hard work, or willingness to create a high standard and then train others to that standard. Can you imagine?

You see, these are the men and women who were either never brought into training or were brought in and then removed. They are the individuals who either wanted to (or attempted to) propel training to the next level, change it up or think outside the box.

They are the ones who dared to ask the “why” questions and were not satisfied with the standard response. They continued to ask the “why” questions and were either removed for their insubordinate behavior or were ignored for so long that they finally tired and left of their own accord.

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 Post subject: Re: Egos and training
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:17 am 
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Van are you bored :lol:
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Seriously though, questioning is a tough course, but its the quickest way to get answers, even if you sometimes don't like them.


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 Post subject: Re: Egos and training
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:45 am 
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Conflict and Courageous Conversations:

If all you ever do is what you have always done, you will never get more than what you already have. Few things anger me more than someone answering a “why” question with, “Because we’ve always done it this way.”

There is no learning or higher understanding gleaned from that response. If you are a person who offers that as an answer (or accepts that as an answer), you need to step back and rethink what you are doing in your position.

I know many trainers who are considered experts and are well respected across the nation in fields of use of force, firearms and defensive tactics (many of whom are authors for a host of respected publications, books, and columns here PoliceOne).

The little-known fact about all of these highly-respected trainers is that they are not (or were not) in good graces with their agencies. Not prophets in their own land! They were (or are being) run off. Certainly not being nurtured for their initiative, hard work, or willingness to create a high standard and then train others to that standard. Can you imagine?

You see, these are the men and women who were either never brought into training or were brought in and then removed. They are the individuals who either wanted to (or attempted to) propel training to the next level, change it up or think outside the box.

They are the ones who dared to ask the “why” questions and were not satisfied with the standard response. They continued to ask the “why” questions and were either removed for their insubordinate behavior or were ignored for so long that they finally tired and left of their own accord.


You get this a lot with police forces. Not many people know how they are run, or how political it can be at the top. People get on by towing the line and not by questioning it. I remember the force that I worked with sent all of it's officers on a course. Where a high paid Psychologist held up a beach ball which was coloured red on one side yet when he turned iy around it was blue.........supposedly to show us that not all things were as they appeared.the chief constable thought this was a profound teaching experience 8O ...so thousands of taxpayers money went to pay this psychologist....similar courses in politicall correctness exist...and are ruthlessly followed, no expence spared :x


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 Post subject: Re: Egos and training
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:19 pm 
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The problem with ego its it sets up an expectation.

You can not hold onto expectation and reality at the same time.

You can have expectation or you can have your technique, but you can't have both


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 Post subject: Re: Egos and training
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:02 am 
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Good post Marcus. Yet man's ego is at once a necessary survival evil, and a 'self destruct tool' _going to complacency playing a part in population control…leading to mankind survival. A vicious circle of entrapment.

Without ego mankind would have ceased to exist long ago.

One of the functions of the ego is to ensure the survival of this body that we are in. It does so that we think _ we are our thoughts, our minds, our body, emotions, the stuff we do, the things we have and everything else.

Without the sense of self, there would be nothing to protect. If there was no other, there would be nothing to fear and we’d have become extinct long time ago.

Expectations and complacency follow in an uneasy marriage of emotions. Take martial arts and the reasons why we take martial arts, and we see that so many of get wrapped up around dojo floor mentality, styles and teaching methods.

It is easy to go to the dojo, it is downright empowering because you train the stuff you are good at and the stuff you know.

Complacency rears its ugly head when we slowly begin to infuse the illusions of proficiency under all flags…a brainwash that occurs imperceptibly, thus feeding the ego and leading to 'self destruct' _

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 Post subject: Re: Egos and training
PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:11 am 
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Good post Van, ego is apart of the human condition.

the self is always striving for survival, which gives rise too the ego, to protect oneself from the truth.

One way to try get past this is too practice being authentic, attach the ego to the truth and strip away your self deceptions.

when the self now identifys itself with being authentic, then the ego is tricked into helping get itself out of the way.

The tennents of bhuddisim spring to mind, right thought, right speech, right action etc.

Of course all this stuff gets very philisophical and beyond a ma forum, but the traditions are out there and arent as mysterious as many make out.

the mind takes practice too.


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