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Van Canna wrote:Then there will be times when you can't get off the X. You have to learn to live on it as well.
Sensei Itokazu taught that, kata teaches flow footwork_ precise controlled movements with power _ and it is up to the student 'figure out what else you can do' _
He did not just leave at that but would lead you in different directions, some of which took me a long time to realize, creating that 'damn so that's how he did that' moment.
Most saw only what they wanted, his strength and power, but many times he made me feel helpless by just not being there and me trying to figure out how I ended up on my ass.
To understand why movement works we need to understand the OODA loop
described by Col. John Boyd.
As it applies to us, the adversary sees you, and determines you are an
enemy. What has happened, in essence, is that he has taken a mental
photograph of the battlefield. He then makes a decision based on that
photo and then takes action.
If that battlefield changes from what his
photograph documented, then his subsequent plan is no longer valid and
he must change it, formulating a new plan to adapt to the change.
What you do by moving is that you destroy his current mental
photograph and subsequently the plans based on it. This is what Boyd
refers to as Destruction and Creation (of paradigms).
It is the study of angles. The situation of engagement will determine where you go by your position in relation to his/theirs, the
existence of cover, and the location of exits.
All things being equal, you will gain better results by moving to the sharp forward angles as may be identified by the 1:00 or 11:00 on a clock face.
While we understand the validity and advantage of the forward angular
drive, we do not discount the other areas of movement such as lateral
and rear angular as would be described as the 3:00 and 9:00 and the
5:00 and 7:00 respectively.
Why would we bother doing these when the forward lines give us such
advantages? Because the exit, or a solid piece of cover may be within
a step or two to those areas. Moreover, we cannot force a technique to
function in all circumstances, we can only adapt to the given fight.
Thus the ability to move to any and all angles with equal drive and
speed is an essential thing.
Characteristics of good movement include;
1). The alignment of the feet, knees, hips and shoulders in the
desired direction of travel.
2). Dipping the upper body away from the gun muzzle by lowering the
head and shoulders in the desired direction of travel. We train this
in the early stages by actually touching the ground with the finger
tips in the initial "drop off line".
3). Orientation of the feet so the body can move explosively in the
desired direction. One mistake seen is the feet separating excessively
and reducing the "loading" of the legs.
4). A plyometric loading of the legs during the "drop offline", and a
subsequent explosion off that loading in the desired direction of
5). The movement must be natural and easily learned, maintained in
training, and implemented in all situations, to all angles, and with
all weapons forcefully and quickly.
Those are the components that we have seen work best. As you see it is
not solely based on "movement off a given point", but rather movement
off a gun-eye line in multiple planes and to various angles.
Additionally, while this is going on, you access the pistol from
concealment, draw it, and shoot the adversary...often before he can
adjust. Using these concepts, students in our classes, not Delta
commandos, but common citizens, are usually able to evade an already
drawn and pointed handgun, draw their own pistol and "shoot" the
adversary-gunman between two to four times before he can adjust to
what they've done.
Van Canna wrote:Examples of moving off the X or line of attack are seen in these Enshin karate clips.
Mark…think of the X as your last known address where the opponent's techniques are being dispatched to be received. What you do is move to a different address before the 'goods' arrive.
I see those as moves in between our kata 'moves' and have used them in taking down opponents during tournaments. George might remember when I took down 'Baby Huey'[because he was so big]…_the student of Ed Daniels [the king kong of karate]_that I fought in Rhode Island in one of Pesare's tourneys.
Every good fighter knows how to move off the X to flank the opponent and counter from his blind spot, forcing the opponent to 'reset' his 'ooda loop'[observe, orient, decide, and act]…
And as Rick wrote about Jim Maloney, I also teach movement and Blading, combined with straight entries, when straight entries are necessary. In fact, Maloney was at our dojo few weeks ago, and we went over this in class for two hours.
Straight, short stop entries can be tricky if you are facing a very big, burly, tall opponent…think using an entry into someone like Andre Tippet, NFL hall of fame.
And Mark…the black belt is correct that you would break your arm trying to 'block' a power front kick with a gedan barai, because the ulna of your forearm will fracture.
Also trying to 'block' low shin round house kicks aimed at the legs, inside or out, with your rising your legs, is fraught with danger when receiving 'killer kicks' _
In our dojo I have some very powerful black belts well over two hundred pounds, two of which are former heavy weight boxers.
I show the need to get off the line of attack, by placing a heavy bag on the floor resting against a student's side of the leg and then I have the powerful black belts kick the bag full force. Those shots move both the bag and the person sideways upon impact.
The shins of all my students are extremely well conditioned as well.
Then I ask the student who was holding the bag to throw away the bag and take the same power kicks by staying in place and raising his leg to intercept or block.
Nobody volunteers for this. They then apply themselves fully into the 'reading' of incoming shots and move off line pretty much as you see in the above clips.
you see only one person can hold the line , and being caught on the train tracks you have a choice, stop the train or get of the tracks, attacking down the line is attacking the train , were force on force so you better be bigger,stronger,faster
I think,Van, you are familiar with how both Walter and Joe teach it. It's a white belt exercise that becomes more relevent and practical the longer study and look at it. I'd be interested in your comments on how we can use this as a practical extension of kata and bunkai study.
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