Uechi-Ryu.com

Lots to learn from this case.
I guess martial arts people could be made to look like 'wannabe warriors'

Years back...We all thought that under Florida law such an incident of 'self protection' wouldn't be 'actionable', right?

And, can Zimmerman now be sued in civil court?

The shooting was not "ruled" self defense.

He was simply found not guilty of murder or manslaughter. The Jury has not explained their reason for that ruling (nor do they have to).

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Van

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Van

I'm guessing that it doesn't help your case when the president says that the victim looks like a son he might have had ......is that usual, for a president to say something as incendiary and biased as that?

Right on...kind of a stupid remark for someone so intelligent.

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Van

Well a lot of the sites that I subscribe to say that all this was contrived, for one thing Zimmerman isn't even white and even teaches black kids...so it's not white on black.....Obama must have been aware of what happened with Rodney King so it makes his comments very suspect.

Much of this controversy was manufactured by media.


Gee... and we wonder why so many passionate opinions were formed against Zimmerman before he could even get his day in court.

This was a misguided social cause shamelessly in search of a story. And that story needed to be edited to fit the correct script. The manufactured script never happened; it was nothing short of race baiting to get ratings and/or manipulate public opinion.

If any civil suits should be filed, they should be filed by Zimmerman and/or cities where riot damage happened. And they should be filed against NBC - the only relevant deep pocket in this scenario. I just hope some enterprising lawyer reads my post and gets on it. Not that I endorse that kind of activity, but... If a trial attorney needs some coin, well here's some in a gift-wrapped box.

- Bill

Bill,

Just wondering, was defense court appointed, or will the Z man have to foot the bill?

And will the civil suit have any grounds to be sustained based on Florida law?

We all have fantasies of self defense...we carry guns...we know the best 'kata'...look at where it can get you.

The Zman has lost peace and comfort for as long as he lives, that is, if he doesn't get killed some day coming back from the grocery store.

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Van

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http://blutube.policeone.com/videos/632 ... tter&nlid=

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Van

Generally the meter is running in situations like this. However attorneys are eager to take on high profile cases - even if there's no guarantee of a payday. All that free publicity can set them up for life. They'll have to higher extra staff to take care of the new case load. And then of course there will be the book deals, speaking engagements...

And this is all the more reason for Zimmerman to sue NBC for their shorts and then some.


Those protesters need to realize that those cameras are a double-edged sword. Their defense lawyers are going to wish they had kept their mouths shut. 'Best feeling in the world?' I'm sure the prosecuting attorney is going to make it feel real good, and the defense attorney will be cringing. Go into jail running your mouth about race issues and see what happens. Without being in and protected by a like-minded race gang, you will be picked off and silenced.

By the way, kudos to the police for handling the situations as well as they did. Not a single officer filmed getting emotionally hijacked.

There was a very interesting show the other night I believe on the History Channel. Hispanic groups are growing in power in Southern California, and they have a real attitude about race integration. [1] Apparently many of the gangs are run by those in prison. Sure... go into one of those prisons spouting off about Zimmerman - a Hispanic - and see what happens.

Sometimes a fellow just needs to learn how to STFU. It's one thing to be Martin Luther King and engage in civil disobedience. Right or wrong, it is at least a noble endeavor. It's another thing altogether to be an antagonistic tool.

- Bill

1) Mexican gangs trying to run black families out of southern California

Al good points, Bill.

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Van

WEll we heard about Zimmerman over here....but not a peep about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlGMHzxh ... r_embedded

Which is far more disturbing, I wonder why that was?

Let's turn this around a bit. The labels of "aggressor" and "defender" are not clear-cut in this case. Could Zimmerman's defense have not used Stand Your Ground because that law might have worked against Zimmerman? If they had used it then the prosecution might have introduced an argument that Martin had every right to stand his ground against Zimmerman. From What about Martin's right to 'stand his ground'?


Focusing only on self-defense against Martin's physical attack may have been the smarter defense for Zimmerman in this case, and it seems to have worked.

So what do y'all think, did Martin also have the right to "stand his ground" against Zimmerman? What would y'all have done if in Martin's position in this incident?

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Glenn

Actually racially he is White (Caucasian), most Hispanics/Latinos are. White is a racial classification that is separate from being Latino/Hispanic, which is an ethnic classification. On the Census forms, I am guessing Zimmerman marks one of the Yes categories in question 5 and marks White for question 6:
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2009/questionnaire.aspx

Asking about Hispanic origins started with the 1970 Census, prior to that all Hispanics would have only selected a racial category such as White.

The combined results of those two 2010 Census questions gave us 2010 Census Shows White Population Growth Fueled by Hispanics


In other words there is no logical legitimacy to the concept of "white-vs-Hispanic". This highlights the whole confusion over race and ethnicity in the U.S., particularly given how many of us are of mixed ancestry. Racially I am White but in terms of ethnic origins I am German-British Isles mutt, and given my blood genotype is AO that O allele indicates the strong likelihood for American Indian somewhere in my ancestry. Yet as far as the Census results go, I am simply "Non-Hispanic White".

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Glenn

First...

Michael Savage is an excellent radio host. He has a superb voice, a sharp mind, and pulls no punches. But he doesn't have the "correct" political leanings. The media in our country is generally liberal-leaning, with a couple of notable exceptions. Fox News is the big one, and they tend to be typically Republican-leaning (fiscally conservative, socially conservative).

Michael Savage also often repeats the expression "liberalism is a disease." I tried to research who first said this, and cannot find the source. But there's actually a McNaughton painting now titled that, with a bevy of well-known liberals on a quarantined island.

I bring this up because "mainstream media" tries to marginalize Michael Savage as being "fringe" because he doesn't think "correctly." So this is one reason why you won't see this case brought up.

Second...

There's an unspoken rule about the whole hate crime thing. It's like the unspoken rules of baseball, where you'll be beaned if you've violated one. Apparently a hate crime can't happen if you belong to certain groups, e.g. are white, male, Irish/Anglo, Christian, or middle-aged. It's OK to bash middle-aged males or the Irish, but you will be savaged for making unflattering remarks about other groups. I say this as a middle-aged, Irish male. I get it. I've actually been victim of it in layoffs, where they document (seriously) the preservation of certain protected groups and find it expedient to dispose of others. I don't play victim very well, or very nicely for that matter. I deal with it by being better/smarter and succeeding anyhow. So you won't hear me crying foul. It is what it is.

So this is why you'll never see this being brought front and center in this country, Ray.

- Bill

Bill
We have a similar problem in the UK. We have the Black prosecutors union, the Black police union..yet if you have a white only organisation it is rascist and illegal hypocrites.

With this case I have only heard about it in passing .this was the interview I heard about it from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... F-Ax5E8EJc

which for the most part seems balanced and does give some information not heard elswhere. i.e that the deceased was buying drugs paraphenalia and not sweeties and a bottle of Pop........whatever happenend I think the left wing biased media have a lot to answer for , as they did with the Rodney King case.