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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:17 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:48 pm 
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Apparently in UK they are less concerned with showing pictures of thugs.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:05 pm 
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After the collision, Mr Lien then panicked and plowed through the crowd of bikers that stopped around him.


Mr Lien called 911 and attempted to flee the bikers, but they chased after him.

When he exited the highway and had to stop for traffic, several furious bikers attacked the SUV, pulled Mr Lien and brutally pummeled him - including stomping on his head.


Kevin Bresloff, the biker who filmed much of the encounter, says he has received death threats from other members of the biker club because he is cooperating with police detectives investigating the incident.

'nice guys' all right. :x

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:11 pm 
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http://www.debate.org/opinions/in-refer ... nd-himself

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Defending himself or his $100,000 SUV?

At least one witness has already come forward stating that the SUV aggressively entered the highway while other drivers were letting the motorcyclists pass by. The witness also stated that he continued to drive in the midst of the motorcyclists despite their efforts to slow him down. For someone concerned about his family (at least that's what his lawyers told him to say) he sure is putting them at risk of an altercation with one or more motorcyclists with his actions. Then he decides he is is entitled to use deadly force and run over someone with his back to him that was walking away because he is "frightened" that will seriously injure or kill him and his family. Maybe he's seen too many zombie movies. If 2 or 3 of the motorcyclists did not attack the SUV driver and his vehicle on 178th street he probably would have charged with attempted murder by now for running over someone with his back to him.


It goes to show the idiocy of some of the people making these comments, without understanding what the fear factor can do to an individual with his life and the lives of his wife and 2 year old child at stake.

Imagine the mental anguish and psychological ramifications of what happened to the wife and child as well as the father.

They all have a to right to sue all those bikers and this probably will happen when suit is filed by Atty Allred, against Lien.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:02 pm 
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They are coming out of the woodwork.

From my previous post with minor corrections:
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This well known Hollywood hot shot lawyer (Mark Geragos, lawyer for Michael Jackson and Trayvon and other high profile cases) was just on CNN with Anderson Cooper said:

Lien should have been arrested for hit and run.

The cyclist who stopped in front of Lien's SUV and looked back to the SUV was trying to signal Lien to slow down because Lien was driving too fast on the road, Lien ran into him instead.

The undercover cops were banging on Lien's SUV trying to arrest him for hit and run.


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By Danny Cevallos, CNN Legal Analyst
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How fine is the line between victim and defendant? Consider how the law might apply to these facts:

First, in the video, a motorcyclist appears to deliberately slow down in front of the SUV, which then collides with the cycle. The law in most states presumptively holds the rear ending vehicle liable. If the driver in front makes a sudden stop, that can overcome this presumption. But in the case of rear enders, even defense attorneys will often concede liability, so it's certainly possible that a jury could find Lien completely at fault for an accident.

Video shows motorcyclists fighting driver
Second, as bikers surround his vehicle, Lien speeds away. As he drives off, motorcyclist Jeremiah Mieses is run over in the chaos. Mieses remains hospitalized with two broken legs and spinal injuries and might be paralyzed for life. Those are very serious injuries under any civil standard or penal code.

If it's proven that Lien ran over Mieses, he could be considered a "fleeing felon." New York, like other states, criminalizes leaving the scene of a motor vehicle accident. In a case like this, in which someone is seriously injured, flight is a potential felony. So was Lien fleeing for his life, or was he a fleeing felon?

Third, it's true that a lot of bikers gave chase. Was this alone permissible? In New York, a citizen acting on his own may use non-deadly force to prevent the escape of a person who has committed a crime. Lien's tires were slashed and his windows bashed in. Was that appropriate force? Those acts themselves are non-deadly. If so, were the bikers apprehending a fleeing criminal within the law?

Finally, if any of the bikers charged claim they were justified in preventing the escape of a criminal, the burden is on the prosecution to disprove it and disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Police officers have the unenviable task of making snap judgments under chaotic circumstances. They're human, as is their process of assigning blame. New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly says the investigation is continuing. More arrests on more serious charges may follow.

Motorcyclist Christopher Cruz faces reckless driving charges after police say he was the one who slowed down in front of Lien's SUV and touched off the whole bloody encounter. Nobody has been charged yet in the actual beating that sent Lien to the hospital, but Cruz's attorney has told reporters that his client is not guilty.



Unfair or not, Lien is in more and more troubles than one many think. Regardless of what may happen in the criminal case, just wait till the civil suit, god almighty!

In a world where wild vicious animals seem to be offered more protection than the law abiding citizens, what are we to do if similar event happens to us, we the law abiding ones? (And please don't quote that rather-judged-by- 12 line because as we must know by now, that ain't the end of it---)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:52 pm 
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Arrest. He'll probably be thrown of the force. Some people can be real idiots.

http://www.policeone.com/off-duty/artic ... id=6504748

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Much of what will happen, either to the SUV driver or the ones who beat him will revolve around which judge gets either the civil or criminal case. A lot will have to do with what is allowed in as evidence. A lot will revolve around how good, or not so good, the prosecutors assigned to the case are and a criminal outcome does effect a civil outcome. If there is more video (the one fella said he was cooperating) prior to what most of us have seen it may help the SUV driver. It may not. If there is footage of the actual beat down it will probably help the SUV driver because the average juror doesn't like it when someone is beaten in front of his wife and child. If previous encounters by law enforcement with this same group are allowed it may bolster the SUV drivers case. And, as most of us have seen, there is always "more" to the story that hasn't made it to the media yet.

Were there any phone calls to 911 by any of the motorcycle riders? Can't remember.

If I recall the video correctly, the poor soul who said he was just slowing down to let his buddies in front passes the videographer quickly on the right, speed up next to the SUV's left side, looks specifically at the driver (he may have even gestered) then pulls in front of the SUV, slows down while looking over his left shoulder and his hand is still on the throttle (remember you have to actually push your hand "forward" on the throttle to get it to slow down). I know from, being a former motorcycle rider, that you are very aware of your speed/throttle/hand position while you're riding. You don't slow down at the rate he did without knowing you're slowing down. Remember he slowed down at such a rate that the videographer actually passed him quickly. If the SUV driver was driving recklessly like one article said, why would anyone in their right mind on a two wheeled vehicle pull in front of them? Makes no sense other than to try and stop them purposefully.

But I ramble..............


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Excellent observations, Steve. There is no end to this story.

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Asked whether Lien was within his legal rights to race away from the scene of his accident with Cruz, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said he might have been.

"It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you’re being attacked, whether or not your wife and child are in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that’s what we’re doing,” he said Tuesday.

"Obviously, if you can get out of there without hurting someone, that’s what we advise you to do," he added. "There’s no one-size-fits-all to a situation like this."

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:40 pm 
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I have never heard of this guy (Tim Bartender) until someone sent me the links. Well worth your time watching if you are interested in the incident at all. Straightforward with no bs. Just ignore the rapper type swearing. Every jury member in the upcoming litigations should be required to watch the videos but what am I saying!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:34 pm 
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I love the 'MF' cussing :lol:

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