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Postby Kevin Mackie » Sat Oct 03, 1998 5:55 am

Van - re: the assault on the officer.

I have not read the story but...
Here is situation with a trained law enforcement officer, armed I might add, whose antenna should have been up at attention while stopping a motorist, (he should have been as alert as possible, he would have had to ask the person to step out of the car??)

What went wrong? Inexperience?, not concentrating, procedural error? MINDSET? Not a strong enough initial response? (shoot first ask, questions later?)

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Postby moulton » Sun Oct 04, 1998 12:10 am

Hello David.

You mentioned your interest in knives. I was in Chinatown earlier today, stopped in Silkie's, and just opposite my books were several books on butterfly knives. I thumbed through them and thought it would be worth mentioning to you. The smaller of the three had the 12 postitions of attack which might coincide with your Kali training.


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Postby Cecil » Wed Oct 07, 1998 11:26 pm

Mr. Van Canna,

Your story about the killer drunk reminded me so much of the Real Fighting book where Quinn is up against this big dude who ignores his straight punches to the stomach. Sounds like the approach Quinn took to use the environment as a weapon (i.e., hit the guy with the wall, a bar or the floor) would have worked well on that killer drunk (of course it's easy for me to say that here behind the safety of a keyboard). That's what I had to do in a similar but by no means as severe situation where a guy was just as stronger or stronger than I was and would not go down when kicked. This is why I think that martial arts students need to be well rounded in their training and not just be "strikers" or "grapplers" or "kickers" but all that and then some, so that if one thing ain't working, you can do another SIMPLE technique.

Any thoughts???

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Postby david » Thu Oct 08, 1998 11:53 am


I would agree with you about trying to be "well rounded". The caution is that "simple" techniques are not simply so. It takes time and practice to thoroughly incorporate moves into the body's memory. Try to learn too much too soon. Nothing gets incorporated well and you become a mess of ineffective actions/reactions. Pick the approach that best suits your physical and mental strengths, work and perfect that before going on to other approaches and techniques.

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Postby moulton » Fri Oct 09, 1998 10:29 am

Hello Van

Not Uechi?

I remember when I was a kyu student that several students with the black dye on their belts still wet visited the Combat Zone to prove their worth and learned a lot about fighting that day as they discussed it amongst themselves from hospital beds.


P.S. The Combat Zone (official colloquial name) is the seedy infamous section of Boston where one can find anything he wants, including getting trashed.

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Postby Tom J Paglia Jr » Fri Oct 16, 1998 5:21 am

If the situation is serious enough to warrant combat,then it is serious enough to utilize whatever methods are necessay to win. There is no right or wrong in combat just the victor and the vanquished. A SAD TRUTH BUT A FACT JUST THE SAME. If you are not prepared to take physical action to this extreme then you are placing yourself in grave danger in a conflict. If you do not feel that you have this type of resolve then you would be much better developing your abilities as a skilled runner or sprinter.

PS>>From some of the incidents listed in the post I think a good case can be made as to the short comings in the utilization of striking techniques alone as a complete self-defense art. I think that most of the traditional fighting arts( those with roots over a half century ) always included grappling and joint locking as an integral part of their system. I've seen a lot of people handle a well placed strike, but never saw one jump up too quickly from a throw that landed him on his head or back from four feet in the air. Or chase his victim down the street with a broken foot or knee.

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