Interesting topic. However, I don't agree with ranking the individuals described, using martial art ratings.
I'd give them credit for having fighting skills of differing levels, but their abilities were developed in a manner that contradicts traditional martial art beliefs.
Skills created through and used in such illegal behavior are not skills that should be rewarded with a belt.
I'm not saying that people who learns to fight on the street are not capable, nor are their abilities less than their martial arts' brothers. But I would like to believe that the belts awarded to a person who learns his art in the dojo, represents more than the simple ability to bully, threaten, intimidate and perhaps kill another human being.
I, like Van and others, would like to see more realistic training in the dojo, but I would never subscribe to a program that recommends picking fights on the street in order to gain this experience. Perhaps we will soon see our dojo training include such realistic instruction that Van has been recommending here, and I'd certainly approve of including it in our curriculum and rank tests. However, I'd like to believe that those of us who practice our art will continue to defend it while improving it. And certainly would not like to lend credibility or approval to those who simply enjoy fighting and are good at it. There are Octagons available to test one's true fighting abilities without having to beat up on helpless citizens.