Sorry, but this is gonna be a long one, I am replying to several posts. If this is not martially oriented, neither are the letters I a quoting. There seems to be a lot of stereo-typing and nay-saying going around (I guess this is my two-cents).
----responding to post on 10-24 by Tom Paglia----
>normal transgression from DEMOCRACY IS ANARCHY>>
Anarchy is defined as "A state with no government or law". Under old usage it was a utopia where no government was neccessary, under new usage it is entropy.
>the son's of the fathers would forget the price paid in blood and guts to gain democracy and freedom and would become self - centered in there belief's and concerns. The ME concept. You don't have to agree with this. It's a historical fact. >>
"Democracy is the worst form of government imaginable, until you look at the alternatives" Sorry, I cannot quote the author. It is easy to attack something without having to back it up with an alternative. Could you please name a governemnt that did not end in "anarchy"?
Also, not to nit-pick, but I presume you are referencing the US in your predictions. The US is a Republic (government where people are represented by officials) not a Democracy (government where decisions are made by vote of the people).
>coming from a past where in a sense we had no rights we have drifted to over protecting the individuals rights. Keep in mind that in a society the rights of the individual can never out weigh the rights of the society as a whole>>
There is no society as a whole. I am not allowed to shoot my gun, not because it violates the rights of society, but because it violates the rights of other individuals not to be shot at. No offense intended, but your statement seems to be rhetoric.
>So for those who refuse to take a stand welcome to a world of predators Keep practicing you're going to need all the help you can get. >>
Like the gangster era? The wild west? The witch-trials? inqazition? french monarchy? nazis? Stalin? Cambodia circa 1970? Lynch mob era in the south? "Might-makes-right" middle ages [...edited for brevity...]. If your point was that this is something new, I think you are mistaken, at least they aren't government sanctioned.
----responding to post on 10-24 by Anthony----
>It has been my observation that nature when deciding to eliminate a species finds new and innovative ways to cause it to implode upon itself, not unlike the way we blow the bottom out of buildings on city blocks.>>
The dodo and Great Awk were hunted to extention. That while moth in England (can't remember the species) died because the smoke from smokestacks changed the color of the trees and birds found them easy targets. I don't remember the Tazmanian tiger "imploding". Could you please back your statement with an example?
>The best defense is not being there.>>
I agree wholeheartedly.
----responding to post on 10-24 by Van Canna----
>The American problem is that ,but for lack of attuned emotions , perspectives are in constant jumble !>>
Thanks for the sterio-type. BTW, if you want to see perspectives that don't change try an insane asylum or religious instatution.
>Now as to football and soccer games incidents here and abroad ! The violence in soccer , although deplorable ,GENERALLY WITH FEW EXECEPTIONS, is tied to nationalism and the triggering mechanism for it speaks volumes of the pride of the fans , who in their minds , are fighting a foreign force which threatens their territorial soccer standing in the world !>>
So uneccessary and useless violence is OK if it's for nationalism? I think that was the Nazi excuse. Would they still do it if there was one vs. 10? People seem to like to hurt, but not risk being hurt. It is rare for one person to say "I am mistreated" and go riot alone in the street. But if other's are rioting, it is easy to suddenly have "righteous indignation" and kill for a cause.
>You see violence in Italy/Europe ..violence is everywhere ..but you will never see this childish display of emotion among neighbors ..because the Italians possess a much more attuned 'emotional intelligence' >>
Yea, while we are on steirotypes, I remember the mob as being very "enlightened". WW2 was cool too.
>You won't see the ' biker ' subculture with fat slobs on Harleys who think they can ride a bike >>
Italians are not fat slobs, only Americans? They win all the olympics because of the I am sure.
>European stylish motorcycles and elegant riders who maneuver on a dime in heavy traffic and move like the wind at warp speed ! this is the difference of STYLE I often talk about !>>
ESPN has none of those.
>And this under-developed 'emotional intelligence' in Americans is responsible for what you talk about on this post , i.e., Me first and always >>
I am amazed you don't see the hyprocacry in the "You Americans are snobs, not like us". I haven't seen Europe be big in playing humanitarian to the world. They don't put an incredable amount into the UN, or WMO. But, maybe I haven't been paying enough attention.
>I feel like splitting his head open with an ax and stuffing his empty skull with empathy for his fellow man ! >>
Sounds empathing to me!
----responding to post on 10-25 by Hutch----
>In the 50's qnd 60's, the hero culture was enormous. >>
At what cost, we tend to deify people that would be better classed as villans, or just people (Custard, McCarthy, Hoover).
>But the concepts of nobility and honour, while lagging, have not been lost. >>
I think historians, and people, idealize their memory. It wasn't there before any more than now.
>I refuse to despair about the state of society. I cannot live anybody else's life; just my own. When I do it right, I make courageous choices and when I am wrong, it is usually because I acted out of fear. I am still learning the difference, but I know helping others is rarely a wrong choice if your goal is to have a healthy and worthy spirit. >>
A rowdy "hear hear" to that.
----responding to post on 10-27 by Van Canna----
>To the Italians , the world is a stage on which to play out individual emotion and establish personal /private priorities and the hell with government of any kind …social standards of any kinds …to the Italians , government is a corrupt entity to be used to its fullest ! >>
The Itallians ARE the Itallian government. So to say the government is corrupt is to say the people are. Further, to ignore teh government they create is anarchy (earlier post) and very indicative of a "Me" generation as you complane is prevelant in America.
>You want more? How about this : There was a time when "mom" was always there ..the words "day care" were not in our vocabulary and welfare was called "relief" !>>
About the same time europe called war "policy" and murder a "solution".
>…American college graduates have shown to be intellectually inferior to the European counterparts …..>>
Yea, the Eorpeans invented all the cool stuff, and their GNP is 1/4 ours.
>Our clothes were clean and stylish , and we wore our caps with the brim in front to shield our eyes from the sun , as they were designed ! >>
If the grease in the hair would let you.
>We looked up to Ike and John as leaders to be admired>>
Slept with Marlyn, manged the bay of pigs without getting impeached, got credited after death for human rights movements he had almost nothing to do with, escilated involvement in Vietnam when the French moved out, and nearly got us all killed over cuba. Great guy (I look up to him over the Marlyn thing though).
>convicted murderess were executed promptly instead of languishing in prison for years on hand on death row filing appeal after appeal !>>
So were "commies" and blacks (japaneese we just interred).
>When tragedy struck , we dried our tears , stuck out our chin and went on with life instead of beating our breasts and holding countless memorial services seeking psychologists to tell us how to cope ! Newspapers presented both sides of an issue without political slant >>
What!?! What country where you living in?
>Today thoughts and actions are suppressed for fear being politically incorrect >>
Rush? Howard Stern? Me? you?
>our courts are clogged up with so many frivolous law suits >>
>no one is held responsible for his actions >>
Seems your first statemnt is that we attempt to hold someone responsable for everything.