J. D. & Allen ,
I wrote "Then one night you are walking the beach with your daughter ,
enjoying the sunset , alone and far from anyone who can help ,
when a jeep full of punks pulls up at your heels ; beer bottles /cans
are being thrown at you …and one of them says : " Hey , what are
you up to ? Are you going to f*** her ? Why don't we start it for
you while you watch !" >>>>>> You really believe your 'karate' will save you from a senseless beating , or worse, and your daughter from being
raped by the drunken scum now getting out of their cars with beer
bottles and a baseball bat? [ five big guys , looking like body
You two wrote "With due respects, Van, it sounds like the punks could have been
sober, i.e. neither high nor intoxicated and looking for a rush. Even
they can exhibit mild forms of common sense when their senses are
not dulled." [ Allen]
"As the advocatus diaboli, I could wonder if your friend could have
scared away "da punks" with a determined stare and posture which
would convey the "this is not an easy prey" idea. Perhaps, these
were the type of losers who just, that night, wanted to feel big and
feed on fear. Perhaps they would have been satisfied with seeing
your friend and daughter whimpering or fleeing. >>>> I
do think, to argue in the other direction, that we need some
compassion. Anyone can get drunk, angry, and staunch their
hemorrhaging ego by trying to act big on the street. We see it all
the time. I do not think we should just blow them away." [J. D.]
Are you two guys kidding ? Not drunk? Looking for a rush ? The language they used? They are now out their car with a baseball bat and beer bottles moving in on you and your daughter ! You want to show them compassion? You have at best ¾ of a second to react ! Are you going to gamble with the life or well being of your daughter? What do you think their intent is based on pre-incident indicators and assault cues you are receiving ? What about "precognition" or have you forgotten about this legal principle ? Do you realize that you are being threatened with superior force , superior numbers,[ disparity of force] --and with deadly weapons [ bat -beer bottles ?] >>>
It is the failure to read the impending threat that results in hesitation giving the physical and [worse] the psychological advantage to your enemy-- Who will read you very well ! These are the lessons you learn at the lethal force institute designed to inculcate a certain mindset and trigger by recognizing the pre-assault cues and pre-incident indicators for what they really are instead of guessing at them !
As Kevin says >> in the dojo …kata ..kumite..kata..kumite --- most of us train at dancing lessons [ should wear a hat, seam stockings and high heels in your next workout] ---Animal Mac Young writes that most martial artists are nothing more than dancers lacking street wise knowledge , determination and commitment ; they are not really trained to seize immediate control of an unfolding ugly situation [ denial again …belief in the good of fellow man ] !
The average martial artist is rooted in blocking mind set ..he is used in "fighting" for points , not for his life ! He will argue that not all confrontations will be serious or life threatening , thereby sealing his doom ! He does not have the direction of spirit to automatically defeat the opposition upon serious transgression [ MacYoung] !
A certain attitude and resolve needs to be projected early on in a confrontation matching the threat with equal force , slap for slap , kick for kick and weapon for deadly weapon ! Your body language will do you in most of the times ! In spite of their training , most martial artists are left only with moves , pretty much useless without a schooled tactical mindset ! Look at yourself in the mirror and argue the point in all honesty ! But you will rationalize all of this away , I know , and you will continue to fall victim to a real attack other than a simple face slapping contest with an unworthy opponent !
Back to the impending assault on the beach , common sense should tell you that what will determine your degree of legal response will be a mixture of actions on your part and theirs . Yes it is a good idea to beg off and retreat , but from the tactical standpoint you are at a disadvantage ; they are close enough to grab your daughter ; overpower you very quickly !
Yeah , from a moral standpoint , it may really be that the punks intend to only to show off at your expense , but it is also reasonable to assume that their wanton troublemaking may precede a more serious expression of terrorism . You should be sure of the real danger before deciding to employ a deadly weapon against multiple antagonists whose motives are uncertain …[coming at you with a bat and beer bottles not very clear to you ?] >>>>
But let me ask you ..what would you have done differently with your daughter at stake ? You know , the old Monday morning quarterbacking ; that's exactly how you would behave if you sat on a jury without the experience of the stress of the moment ! Will you be a victim or a survivor ? How to find out >>> What you are really made of when the flag flies ?
I can tell you if anyone should even hint at moving against my daughter , as MacYoung says , it is combat with no rules ! Fight to the death or the crippling of the opponents , with a mind set of total disregard for personal injury and consequences !
In my work I handle rape cases ..do you know what rape does to the mind of a woman ? Anyone who threatens the rape of my daughter forfeits his right to live ! If you don't develop this type of mind-set you will always be the victim despite your high dan rank and all the special classes you attended by the "masters" !!