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I would be very much interested in hearing your views. What you think...not so much quotes from other people, but what you believe is the problem and perhaps, what can be done to fix it?
Well, Mary, I have taken the time to write lots of stuff from my very own brain, but those are the things that get the most static, the most attacks, and the most vitriole.........I mean, if i cant attack you for your own words, what can I attack you for.........
First off, Mary, the other folks are quite articulate, and they make fewer mistakes than I (that book I quote from most often was wriutten by a team of people, not just one person).....as far as I can tell, Mary, I have written far more on this subject than anyone, you or Ian combined, even outside what I have quoted from others.....so, i think it is you folks who need to catch up, not I.......when I dared to write my own words and when I dared to get a little emotional or angry in an otherwise well written piece, you ignored all the weel-written stuff and got all excited that I dared to be angry
Tell me, Mary, is is illegal in your state for men to be angry?????
cuz everyone i meet and talk to in this state seem to think it is illegal for me to be angry......they all want to tell you, "You arent allowed to be angry", heck, men arent even allowed to talk about what they are angry about without people like Ian getting all excited that you dare to express your feelings......
We tell men all the time to express their feelings and when they do, we then tell them they are having the wrong feelings......
we complain that men dont share their feelings enough and when the men share their feelings, we are told that these are not acceptable feelings........
FORGET THAT NOISE.........I have feelings and i dont have to justify them to any of you......if you want to disucss my feelings and your own without trying to define for me which are the acceptable feeligns and which are the non-acceptable ones, that might be different.........
about five years ago i was talking to my mother on the phone.....i told her i had trouble with the word feminist to describe me since it did not well describe who I was ( a man)........do you think there was a discussion about how my feeligns are important and how we need to come up with a more inclusive name? lol ......as if...........she started to yell a bunch of incomprehnsible stuff into the phone that basicly meant that feminism is defined by women and not men.....men have no say in it, they can either agree with feminism 100% and be accepted (like by Jesus or the church) or you can dare to disagree with feminsism even 1% and be ostracized 100% as a traitor to the religion (feminism).........I dont buckle easily.......adn i dont cave ........just cuz everyone else is jumping off bridges doesnt mean that I think it is a good idea........if there is going to be a system whereby women and men are going to get along, it must be a system in which men have some say....or else we will feel like we had no power in the decision making and we will be pissed.......
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I don't personally think that violence boils down to just one sex....male against female. I know better - I also know that it's not just female violence only against males. I've known women who have suffered abuse at the hands of men, I've known men who have suffered abuse at the hands of women. My point, and my only point, is that it is wrong no matter who applies the abuse.
Equally wrong requires equal concern.....Equally wrong requires incarceration in equal rates.....equally wrong requires equal excitement......
While you claim that these are equally wrong, do you admit that they are treated differently???!?!??!?!??!
since misogyny is already considered a bad thing by most of society and misandry is busy being denied, which do you think needs more awareness????!??!?!??!?!??!
cuz Ian is busy trying to justify misandry based upon the existence of misogyny......Ian is not willing to even address the issue of misandry until misogyny in all its form have been eliminated from the planet
It sures seems like ian's excuse for misandry is misogyny.......he wont discuss misandry until we discuss misogyny in all its forms in Islamic culture........Ian will deny the existance or import of misandry while I will continue to tell you that not only is misogyny a bad thing, but it needs to be dealt with, in all societies, not just our own or Islamic societies
I just hope our willingness to address hatred of people of the male gender does not have to wait for the total eradication of hatred of the female gender......I have worked tirlessly to address issues of msiogyny my entire life and now i dare to want to discuss misandry and what are the claims Dr. Ian has to make??????
that i've
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passed nicely into freefloating psychosis.
and Ian has to make rules for his own threaqd that proclude the use of personal attacks as he claims "I passed nicely into freefloating psychosis." .......
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No, I didn't discuss female msulim leadership. At all.
Well, I guess, Ian, like most who actively try to portray Islam as the most sexist religion, can do so only if they ignore things that do not support their arguments.......the fact that Muslim women have been leaders of their countries sure does make it seem like they have some autonomy in their society, and is contrary to his argument, thus he must ignore it....
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I proved that islamic nations have serious problems with sexism, devaluation of women, and violence against them.
These Muslim nations seem a lot like the non-muslim nations in that they have issues of gender that need to be addressed......
Interestingly, I was trying to show (I thought I did a decent job of it) that Judeo-Chrstian nations (especially the one I live in, not referring to ones I am unfamiliar with or do not live in) HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH SEXISM, DEVALUATION OF MEN, AND VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM.
Ian, it seems, does not feel comfortable talking about sexism against men, devaluation of men, and violence against men............that is ok, Ian does not have to discuss these issues if he does not want to, but dont get in my way........
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All I propose is that you take a valium or do some deep breathing, and then do what I do every day:
One of the most dangerous persons in this world is someone who makes predictions and prescriptions based upon ignorance.........they argue with you off and on for a week or a day and all of a sudden they think they know you, your problems, your issues, how to resolve your "issues" etc.........and the dr falls again for the same old pharmaceutical trap.....drugs cure all.......isnt that how to solve it doc, throw some synthetic narcotics at the problem......great idea doc and then if i get hooked, you can blame me and not look at yourself or your own culpability......Is dr Ian even trained in psychiatry or is he just a medical doctor??????? dont worry, Dr ian is busy encouraging his God complex in which he thinks he can fix everything.....even when he knows little or nothign about me or my problems........make your judgements based upon ignorance, but dont be surprised when your cure causes more problems than the original...
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Work with whites, blacks, asians, indians, men, women, straights, gays + lesbians, old people, young people, veterans, civilians, christians, jews, muslims, atheists, the spare wiccan, plus lefties, righties, moderates, the rich, the poor, and, by following the golden rule, and believing that everyone is responsible for the lives they lead, and trying to leave the world better each day than when I woke up, opposing injustice against ANYONE, and trying to heal the sick or help the less fortunate: just believe that we can all get along even when we disagree and that the world is a magical and special place.
who said i wasnt doing that? You, you assumed that I do not already do that, a bad assumption......you want to speak out against injustice, you just want to define for me what injustices merit my concern.........
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if you were proportionately excited about all the injustices in the world, such as the injustice wrought by islamic people on women, you'd self combust!
Actually, Ian, I dont see the plight of Muslim women as unexplored as you do......I have been told about it most of my life........there was like, never a time in my life when I was not made aware of the serious plight of women the world over, but I reiterate that I never was made aware of how men might be villified and I was never told how men were mistreated in this society, in fact when I dared to say that men were mistreated, I got lots of folks telling me how crazy i was, how angry i was, how much i needed help........but no one wanted to give any credence to the fact that men might be ever mistreated..........