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For centuries marriage ceremonies were governed by religious institutions. A representative of whatever church the couple belonged to would oversee the vows of matrimony. People were not considered married unless it was recognized by the church, sinigogue (sp), temple or what have U.
We do know that there were several versions of the freedom of religion which were discussed. The one version, which was titled as Article the Third, stated; "Congress shall make no law establishing religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor shall the rights of Conscience be infringed." Other versions included "Congress shall make no law establishing one religious sect or society in preference to others." and "Congress shall not make any law infringing the rights of conscience, or establishing any religious sect or society." Finally, on December 15, 1791, the Bill of Rights was ratified and the version which was agreed upon is as follows; "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Mormon Cases .--The Court's first encounter with free exercise claims occurred in a series of cases in which the Federal Government and the territories moved against the Mormons because of their practice of polygamy. Actual prosecutions and convictions for bigamy presented little problem for the Court, inasmuch as it could distinguish between beliefs and acts. 197 But the presence of large numbers of Mormons in some of the territories made convictions for bigamy difficult to obtain, and in 1882 Congress enacted a statute which barred ''bigamists,'' ''polygamists,'' and ''any person cohabiting with more than one woman'' from voting or serving on juries. The Court sustained the law, even as applied to persons entering the state prior to enactment of the original law prohibiting bigamy and to persons as to whom the statute of limitations had run. 198 Subsequently, an act of a territorial legislature which required a prospective voter not only to swear that he was not a bigamist or polygamist but as well that ''I am not a member of any order, organization or association which teaches, advises, counsels or encourages its members, devotees or any other person to commit the crime of bigamy or polygamy . . . or which practices bigamy, polygamy or plural or celestial marriage as a doctrinal rite of such organization; that I do not and will not, publicly or privately, or in any manner whatever teach, advise, counsel or encourage any person to commit the crime of bigamy or polygamy . . . ,'' was upheld in an opinion that condemned plural marriage and its advocacy as equal evils. 199 And, finally, the Court sustained the revocation of the charter of the Mormon Church and confiscation of all church property not actually used for religious worship or for burial.200
Dana Sheets wrote:Polyamoury and polygamy are generally still as unwelcome as concepts in this country as they were in 1882. However gay sex and gay marriage have been slowly gaining support in this country as well as others. I know that polygamy still exists in many other countries as well though it's not my cup of tea.
Panther wrote:Is there some medical argument? Or is it a moral argument? If it's a moral argument, then why is that any different from the moral argument that has been made by some against gay marriage?
It promoted religious freedom for the state of Virginia. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison promoted the bill for years before it was finally passed by the Virginia legislature. At the time, the Anglican Church was officially recognized as the state religion. The law disestablished that denomination. An alternate proposal that many other denominations be recognized was rejected.
This bill is often called "the precursor to the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment" of the U.S. Constitution. 1 It is this Amendment that guarantees religious freedom for the individual, while erecting a wall of separation between church and government.
Render unto Ceasar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's
... what's good for the gander is good for the goose, no? Why shouldn't women argue for equality here?
Bill Glasheen wrote:SELFISHNESS:
with the 50/50 ratio, polygamy means you're going to get haves and have-nots.
GENETICS: A population is healthiest with genetic diversity. Allowing for polygamy means reduced variability in the gene pool.
SOCIAL: Think of the impact of a young father with 4 wives and 16 kids when he is killed in a car wreck.
Griffin wrote:What it proves is that Thomas Jefferson fought for religious freedom. But, there isn't any article, clause or amendment in the Constitution that states anything about the seperation of church and state. He fought so that there wouldn't be a state religion, and I'm glad he did.
that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry
WE, the General Assembly of Virginia, do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.
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