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cxt wrote:And various Christians doctrines answer that questions in a number of ways--all of which are ignored by the article.
-Metablade- wrote:I would argue that logic and reason stand apart from a persons adherence to it's truths.
Physical laws are called laws for a reason, and they do not require belief in order for them to:
Valkenar wrote:You cannot use logic as a system for determining absolute truth.
Valkenar wrote:You can only use it to determine the truth value of statement within a logical framework.
Valkenar wrote:What bothers me about atheist proselytizing is that it is ultimately hypocritical.
Valkenar wrote:You can't accept Godel's Incompleteness Theorem and in the same breath condemn others for adopting a system on faith.
Meta: So, I gather that your position for determining absolute truth is to instead of using critical thinking and logic, to use, perhaps *illogic*, faith, belief, good intentions and perhaps a little fairy dust thrown in for good measure?
I would submit to you, that logic and critical thinking are all that we truly have in this world to aid in determining the *absolute truth*.
Meta: Right, and the logical framework is the world we live in.
The world of reality.
Show me evidence of anything other than the reality of the world we live in, and I'll change my paradigm.
For any consistent formal theory including basic arithmetical truths, it is possible to construct an arithmetical statement that is true but not included in the theory. That is, any consistent theory of a certain expressive strength is incomplete.
For any formal theory T including basic arithmetical truths and also certain truths about formal provability, T includes a statement of its own consistency if and only if T is inconsistent.
Is that what you think "atheism" is?
Another religion which is contrary to yours?
If so, you might want to read up on it little more.
It may not be what you think it is.
I never claimed to accept Godel's Incompleteness Theorem
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