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cxt wrote:From what I read, its the deliberate exclusion of a traditional greeting that upsets people.
The USA is overwhelmingly Christian and has been since day one.
Speak for yourself, dude.Meta wrote:
too much Fox is bad for you
Bill Glasheen wrote:Speak for yourself, dude.Meta wrote:
too much Fox is bad for you
Meta: I'm sorry..what were you saying?
I wasn't quite paying attention....Bill Glasheen wrote:Quick question. If our system of law is based upon Judeochristian teachings, should we pretend it isn't?
Meta: Because it isn't.
It is based on the principles such as the Roman Republic and others, but contrary to what most may chose to believe, the founding fathers held mainly deistic views practiced moreover faiths those based on freemasonry (Which I was once) tenets rather than to Christianity.
Here is an article explaining this perhaps better than I can.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htmBill Glasheen wrote:The good news is that the idiocy leads to entertaining lawsuits such as the 1997 Seinfeld episode incident and entertaining programs such as Southpark.
Meta: Huh? I'm afraid you've lost me.Bill Glasheen wrote:Merry Hanuka, brother! Light the organic Kwanza tree, and may Allah bless the Winter Solstice without any animals being harmed in the process!
The USA is not and has never been Iran.
cxt wrote:What we are is an overwhelming Christian nation that is getting very tired of "tolerance" for everyone BUT Christians being mandated by the State.
cxt wrote:I would challenge you to see what what would happen if Wal-Mart tried to prevent its employees from using greeting from other religions.
Only no-one ever does that--only Christians are barred.
cxt wrote:In this case its a business that is excluding--forbidding people in fact to use a traditional holiday greeting.
And that's wrong.
cxt wrote:People have every right to take their business where-ever they want--its called "market forces."
Wal-Mart does not like it?
cxt wrote:Tough--you can treat your customers however you wish--but there is no law foreign them to shop there.
cxt wrote:Its also kind of funny to hear ANYONE claim that folks are acting as a "bully" to Wal-Mart--a company infamous for its own bulling and high pressure business tactics.
Perhaps its just Karma catching up with them.
cxt wrote:Its also less than rational to conflate people wanting to be able to say "merry Christmas" with people wanting to "burn heretics."
Meta wrote:Huh? I'm afraid you've lost me.Bill Glasheen wrote:
The good news is that the idiocy leads to entertaining lawsuits such as the 1997 Seinfeld episode incident and entertaining programs such as Southpark.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the freedom of press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. (Amendment 1,The Constitution of the United States.)
-Its been on "our" money since its inception-why should it not be?
cxt wrote:-Its no longer "in" our schools, multicultism has replaced it in most schools--schools that have no problem listing the other holidays of other religions--but have now largely cast Christmas as "winter break."
cxt wrote:-The US Government and various labor laws allow people to take off ANY religious holiday.
cxt wrote:-The media is overwhelming secular--they do not treat Christian topic with any degree of respect or much positive coverage.Heck, it took Fox news for the issue to get any press at all.
I see the media as being hostile to Christians.
cxt wrote:-The president is a Christian--as are most citizens--so that should not come as any shock.
But he does NOT "condone" the free practice of anyone's religion.
cxt wrote:-The Gov does not tax any legit religion.
cxt wrote:-Many Senators "bow" to all kinds of pressure--whats your point?
cxt wrote:-Our legal system may have people "swear in" in a religious text approtpate the to person involved.
It may be based upon Judo/Christain ethics--but the legal system is almost utterly secular.
cxt wrote:-The Armed forces train "special" troops in many religions.
cxt wrote:What I mean is that no-one tells Muslims that they can't give a Muslim greeting nor do the force people to say "merry Christmas--they force people NOT to say it--and those folks are Christians
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