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Valkenar wrote:Just as a few police take the job because they like the power and authority, there are a few soldiers who enlist because they want to shoot people legally.
RACastanet wrote:But I believe you need to stand for your country. If you do not feel some twinge of nationalism I say shame on you.
Look at all the people clamoring to get into America to share the wealth. How many people are risking everything to get into Iran? North Korea? Venezuala? Somalia?
Here is some conceit for you... people feel safer when I am around. kind of like the sheep dog among sheep. It is a good feeling to have people enjoy my presence.
See any Russian or French or Iranian or South American or Saudi ships rushing to the rescue? I think not. It makes me proud to be an American!
I definitely am interested in how you will substantiate this statement. What are your sources?
That doesn't mean people who happen to be born elsewhere are inferior human beings.
What's a conceit is taking that fact and extrapolating to a position that says anyone (or almost anyone) who just so happens to live in the country as you can be anticipated to be a better person than someone who lives elsewhere simply because of your presence in that country.
The only caveat I'd put here is that while one might be proud of their country having wealth, and one might be proud of their country having the ethical stance to give aid, it's not quite fair to say that any given country lacks that ethical stance because they don't give as much.
You're right I have no real sources for that. If you don't agree with it, that's fine, though it seems a statistical certainty given the size of the military and the fact that it does present a potential outlet for murderous desires.
RACastanet wrote:Justin: I have never, ever stated or implied such a thing, be it in regard to nationality, race, religion. martial arts style or whatever.
I submit we as a country go way beyond our fair share.
You are way out of line here and are just casting your unsubstantiated opinions on our armed forces.
I do know for a fact that the type of individual you refer to is not welcome in our military.
As I said before, I feel sorry for people like you that do not share those types of feelings. Your world must be very hollow. You should apply for a job at the UN.
Well you said "I put America and Americans first. " To me that implies you think Americans have more value. Call me crazy, but usually if I put something first it's because I value it over other things. Since you mention race, what would your impression be of someone saying "I put whites first?" Would that not imply to you that the speaker values white people higher than non-whites?
Well, not just my opinion,
Valkenar wrote:Call me crazy, but usually if I put something first it's because I value it over other things. Since you mention race, what would your impression be of someone saying "I put whites first?" Would that not imply to you that the speaker values white people higher than non-whites?
Panther wrote:First off, even though the discussions have continued and Rich doesn't seem upset at the comment, I don't appreciate the negative connotations brought in with the implied "racist" label.
Not wanting to make this into a BIG discussion on the topic (I simply don't have the time),
Why is it OK for non-whites to have racial pride and not OK for "whites"?
Why is it automatically a "racist" comment for a "white" person to be proud of their race, when it is not considered a "racist" comment from any "non-white" in the western countries?
I've been very tolerant of Rich's shenanigans.
cxt wrote:The foul rambling of a group of criminals--which is exactly what the KKK and their ilk are/were is simply not a fair example of "white pride" than the equally inane ravings of the Black Panthers.
Hate is hate, racism is racism, wrong is wrong.
"Inequalites of power" is a Leftist arguement for those that can't or won't think things thu.
ie "I" can't be a racist--- I'm NOT part of the power stucture!!"
"Historically pro-white messges have been less about honest white pride and more about hating black people."
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