Justin, you have no standing in this area. What qualifies you to make these statements and judgements? What research supports you?
Which statements and judgements? What qualifies me to look up statistics and post about it on an internet forum? That's not something that requires qualifications.
What research do you need citations for? I used two numbers as facts.
1: that Pyschopathy rates are about 1%
Hare, R.D. (1993). Without conscience: The disturbing world of the psychopaths among us. New York, NY: Simon and Schuster.
2: There are about 133000 soldiers in Iraqhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/national ... -6597r.htm
What facts have you cited in your favor? That the military tries to screen out psychopaths? That psychopaths don't fit in well? So are you claiming a 100% success rate in filtering out such persons?
Anyhow, you argued that all who serve are great Americans. I argued that serial rapists (proven incidents) and psychopaths (only statistical evidence) aren't Great Americans, and that therefore not everyone in the military is a Great American because the two groups overlap. So which is it, Rich? Was James Allen Selby, serial rapist and gulf-war veteran a Great American or is he an example of someone who has served in the military and yet is not a Great American? Can't have it both ways.
Now, I agree that there is roughly 10% of our population that can kill another human being and live with with it comfortably as part of the job.
True. And these people are not psychopaths. I was specifically talking about people who take joy from killing, not people who can live with it comfortably as part of their job.
These folks are easy to spot and weed out. They do not take direction well. They cannot and will not develop the discipline required to be in the military.
So you're saying that psychopaths are not good at blending in? Just want to be clear here before I bother finding citations of exactly the opposite.
Justin, I get the impression you think that a kid joins up, goes to boot camp for two months and then is sent out to kill. It does not work like that.
Maybe it doesn't anymore...
Justin, you are intelligent but naive.
Well thank you, at least for the complimentary part of that statement.
Do some research and come back with verifiable info before you make your ongoing derogatory remarks about America and our military.
What exactly do you want verified? That there are psychopaths in the military? Well that's pretty much impossible, whether or not there are any. I already said that I don't have definite proof of this. What I do have is a couple very simple statistics that point strongly to the possibility that there are.
Your right, I would not call a guy that gave to charity for a tax break a "great philantopist" either.
If you want to break it down---if there was enough $$$$ involved I
Well I agree. When I say "call" I suppose what I really mean is "think of as" I would not think of that person as a Great Philanthropist, though I would call them such publicly of I was in charge of the charity they're giving to.
Motive is a tricky subject.
It is. And you're right that good outcomes can come from bad motives. The opposite is true as well, but that doesn't mean that motive must be disregarded as a criteria. Besides, talking about who is or isn't a Great American or a Great Philanthropist is all mental masturbation anyway, it doesn't really accomplish anything, but it can be entertaining.