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 Post subject: Sudan
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:56 pm 
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Panther et al:

At a time when the US is being urged, on the one hand, to exit Iraq quickly, if not sooner, why air (60 minutes) a section on the plight of the non-Islamic peoples of Sudan with two harsh implied criticisms noted to the effect:

1. The US does not care about the plight of the non Islamic peoples of sub Sahara Sudan and

2. That we should do something about this obvious Genocide beyond the providing of the 1/2 Billion dollars the present administration is providing in aid to the refugees of the Sudanese Government 's effective "pogrom" against non islamic Sudanese.

What would the " media exposers" of this Genocide have the US undertake, another military "adventure" (as they dub Iraqi Freedom)?

How does this "square" with the media's scorching criticism of the 1st Bush Administration's "abandonment" of the anti Saddam uprising immediately post Desert Storm?

Is this typical election year anti establishment criticism which says we should DO something when, other than increasing diplomatic and financial aid, the US can do little?

What do you think should be done?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:23 pm 
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John

That is a very good point.

Much of what folks WANT the USA to do in the Sudan is NOT what they want the USA to do in Iraq.

Same situations--different locations--and you get VERY different answers.

Its somehow "ok" to invade a soverigen nation and use military/lethal force to stop the killing in the Sudan--but not in Iraq.

Personally, I feel that it should be done in both places---but since were kinda busy in Iraq right now--its not unreasonable to expect the rest of the workd to maybe pick up a bit of slack.


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 Post subject: Kinda Busy
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:48 pm 
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Kinda Busy sure hits the mark.

Obviously the media opinion you receive on one channel is not the one you may receive on another.

However, it seems clear that the "liberal"? media wants us out of Iraq.

Sudan is a geopolitical and topographical quagmire such as would make Iraqi Freedom look like a sunday School Picnic.

Somalia on a five times larger scale.

And, oh yeah, no oil-------? (I know, how sanguine)

We have a couple of other obvious firestorms brewing in the DPRK and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Pullout, pullback, keep our heads down and reinvigorate Star Wars ABM efforts?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:10 pm 
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John

Makes little sense to me, practically every arguement made as to why we should take direct military action in the Sudan has been dismissed by the Left/UN for action in Iraq.

Almost.

Why is it somehow "ok" to fight when there are no national interests at stake--but NOT "ok" when there are none?

We no longer have to worry so much about an enemy with a 1000 nuke ICBM---just an enemy with a few.

Which would make the arguement for a AM "shield" much stronger---yes, we need one.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:28 pm 
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The U.N is useless.


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 Post subject: Truly
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:14 pm 
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Truly.

The UN is useless in this type of situation.

Of course part of the problem is that, quite rightly, non of the member states want an army that can be deployed over their objections.

Eventually, perhaps after this incarnation of a united nations falls, a constitution for such such an organization will resemble that of the US, where the interests of the large and small are protected to some extent, but 'secession' is a 'cassu belli'.

Only once has the UN been able to field an effectice field army, and that was under US command.

From that the Soviets learned never to walk out of the Security Council again.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:14 pm 
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Yeah... maybee someone else should pick up some slack!


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 Post subject: True
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:39 pm 
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Hi:

Given the de facto oppostion of the Dems to the war, perhaps the World should take notice of our apparent lack of will and do just that; and oick up the slack.

I don't really care who decides to take action to permanently disillusion terrorists around the world that taking us on is not a good idea, or, to some extent, how it's done.

Clearly it seems to need doing.

See the excellent posts in "Vietnam vs. Iraq" (mostly not mine).

Not meaning to distract from thus excellent forum, but the issue also received some attention there.

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