"ATH, you mistake contempt for onesided fulltime promotion of male victimhood for support of misandry every time this comes up. I believe that a balanced view of gender roles is a better response to existing problems faced by men and women than trying to negate radical feminists by becoming their mirror."
I thank you Ian for directing me in how i might be a better Men's rights activist (MRA), but as i see you have little interest in men's rights (we MRA's know how unwelcome we are in most spaces, regardless of whether or not we are radical or trying to be midddle of the road), I will have to differ with you in my approach.
Ian never seemed to find misandry he couldnt support at least in spirit (and thus he had to make a negative comment if i dared post a thread about the good that men have done over the ages)......
Matriarchy is as bad as patriarchy (or just as good) and if i have to be labeled a full time promoter of male victimhood cuz i dare concern myself with men's rights (as I had been concerned with women's rights for over two decades), then so be it.
Misandry is not so much a surprise to me anymore as much as it is simply part of the landscape of the 21st century (misogyny is equally offsenive and present and needs addressing as well and Ian will likely pretend i never spoke against misogyny).......
Thanks Ahmed for a very interesting post (& link)......having been raised for a time by lesbians myself, i am aware of how much men are misunderstood and despised by some lesbians (certainly not all, just the ones that raised me).......
I was raised to be self loathing and distrustful of all men (but that is not misandry worth mentioning and any criticsm of a lesbian mom i have found to be akin to misogyny.... I was taught to avoid male doctors and male therapists (women, i had been taught, were not equally empathetic, but superior in empathy, LMAO)......
I was taught that feminism was about equality and i was taught that men are not equal to women (since men are bad in most aspects and women are good in most aspects).........and pointing out hypocrisy to my mother i have been told is real bad, too.......
Question authority i was taught, but not female authority (only male authority).......questioning female authority will get people all riled up
Some folks''s idea of a balanced view of gender roles seems to be able to accomodate criticism of men (straight ones), but not of women.......
Some people's idea of a balanced view of gender roles seems to be unable to accomodate giving men credit for the good they have done ....
Kudos to you Ian....you take up a cause i myself had supoorted for quite some time (women's rights and the rights of those with alternative orientations, those i still support, while also supporting the rights of those we now demonize......straight is the new gay, you may not know it yet )......you have stood up against my ideas and have shown much strength in making your arguments and pleas and concerns known........you have spoken when others dared not to, for that you desrve much praise and respect (thank you)....without you, i would be preaching to the choir or talking to myself......
Be well and have an awesome weekend......
next week is be kind to white males week.......dont forget to celebrate.....
Thanks to everyone else as well.....tis a tought subject and most folksk are eager to ignore it (or have better things to do).....
of course, i think it was Einstein who said....."
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions.
<b>It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. </b>
Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.......
misandry won't be a problem until they target <b>you</b>!
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) but I do think you need to have a glass (or two) of wine and put this in perspective. There may be a lot of misandrists, homophobes, racists, and misogynists, but by and large we're getting along, and we're doing a better job overall than we used to. Cheers!