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But under such stunning surprise invasion what can someone do awakening from a deep sleep even with a gun nearby, unless a good perimeter defense mechanism buys reaction and "thinking" time?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Make sure the perimeter and other defensive setups
do buy additional time.
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And what if the gun is kept locked even in one of those quick open boxes requiring finger manipulation under the chemical cocktail?
If someone has a problem waking up in a fog or has small children in the house, I suggest buying the extra time needed to get control of their faculties
before they get control of their firearm. OTOH, if you have no kids, can go from 0-100% in a nanosecond, and have predetermined (with your spouse or other house residents) plan, then I think these "lock up your safety" devices are a bunch of bull.
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A friend of mine was awakened in the middle of the night by drunken shouts and slamming on his front door. He said that he was unable to manipulate the safe open for what seemed like an eternity.
Therein lies the problem... If he has kids and takes this much time to get fully awake, then he's probably better off making the home perimeter more secure and doing some impromtu "training" at being waken up and going from 0-100% more quickly. Just like anything else, it's something that is trained... When I was a kid, I took an eternity to wake up no matter what. Now, I can make the concious decision
before actually waking up whether it will be a leasurely rising or 0-100% in an instant. I don't really know how to explain that, but it's true. If my subconcious feels a threat, I'm 110% period... if there isn't a threat or once the threat is over, everything shuts down... click! I have the same reaction in altercations or other emergencies. During the situation, I don't get the shaking knees and other "chemical cocktail" reactions, I go to 110% ultra-alert, ultra-crisis-mode, but when everything is over and I feel everything is safe, that chemical cocktail goes away and I get weak. It's been so bad before (in a
really bad situation) that after the situation was over and I had made sure everyone was safe, authorities/EMTs/etc on hand, I literally shut off like a light switch... click!

At least I was revived by my lovely wife and a cute young female EMT...

(But it was embarassing as all heck after what had just gone down...)
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What is your experience and views on those boxes?
It's just me and the missus... Under MGL, if a firearm is not in use, it must be safely stored. (locked in a safe and/or trigger-locked) When
we're in bed at night, those firearms
are in use for personal defense. The only time I lock one up is when I leave the house and don't happen to take that particular one. I have friends who have and use those boxes. All because they have children in the house. Some think they take too long, but need the extra time to wake up anyway... others think they're fine. If you can wake up quickly and handle the cocktail anyway, you probably won't have a problem using one of the "gun vaults" (tm). If not 100% on both of those (as I suspect was the case with your friend), then your fumbling will seem like forever. Sometimes (like with kids in the house) these are the trade-offs that people feel they must make. (And that are to a certain degree mandated by MGL.) I have one friend who doesn't use any box like this and he and his wife keep their pistols near the bed. they have a young daughter, both of them have extensive training (and can go from 0-100% in an instant),
AND the 9 year old daughter can field strip either pistol and reassemble in a few minutes. (IOW, the kid knows gun safety, knows the guns, knows what a gun can do, and at 7 was winning junior competitions. It's just a matter of training.)
[This message has been edited by Panther (edited January 25, 2001).]