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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2001 3:51 am 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Panther

"The organic label is a marketing tool. It is not a statement about food safety."

Food safety is becoming a major challenge in these days of the factory farm. Food is processed and packaged and sold,the unsuspecting consumer has no knowledge as to what cemical contaminets may be present in the food be it meat,grain, fruit,water etc.

The mass production of food also introduces many pathogens into the food chain.We take it home from the supermarket it's atractively packaged,they are a national chain,we never suspect that the goods may be damaged. 700 cemicals are routinely used in food processing,over a 1000 are added to water for treatment purposses.How many cemicals leach into foods from the packaging? In the past 35 years over 70 million cemical compounds have been manufactured in America.


Just be aware that the extra bucks that you're shelling out don't provide an extra dime of safety or nutrition.

I was never comfortable buying a bag of under sized wormy apples for five times the price. Image

Sensei Maloney told me years ago "there's no sense polishing an apple if it's rotten inside". He was talking of tobbacco of course. But this rule of living in today's world must also be applied to the food we eat. It becomes more difficuilt to eat healthy each year as modern science introduces more poisons into the food chain.

Interesting article Panther!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2001 4:25 am 
IAN:

Excellent link on the horrors of the meat processing plant.Looks like the animal stun procedure's not very effective.

So much for the 1 strike 1 kill point of view. Some how I would expect a lot of the Uechi comunity to bounce back after a good shot to the head with a 1/4 inch bolt. I would also expect to get kicked by them as well. Image

Death is never pretty, animals should not suffer . Obviously the killing methods used in these factory lines are not effective.

Factory defects ,quality vs quantity issues are a byproduct of the factory method. Ford has recalls for exploding Pinto's. Baby cribbs are recalled for infant mortality issues. Canned goods are recalled because of botulism. The factory method does have it's failures. But it's effective in producing mass quantities and keeping consumer prices down.

Nothing you can do? If you don't like the suffering get active,sellers wish to please the consumer,let them know.

When criminals are executed in various countries they also linger for a while,electrocution,beheading,hanging and leathal injection all take some time. There probably is a faster way of dispatching these animals.(and the ones we eat too Image)

An animal that suffers also makes for poor quality grub. The massive amounts of hormones released in the meat of a struggling or suffering animal are rather bitter to the palate and I believe they may also increase spoilage.


Hunted meat also suffers Ian. The shot does not always kill. The window for a kill is sometimes short and at along distance. The game is some times wounded and tracked for many miles. This is unfortunate as the animal suffers and the meat is not as pleasant on the plate.

Panther:

Enjoy that steak,a good feed of red meat now and then will not kill you.

Laird


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2001 9:17 pm 
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It's agreed that chemicals pose a risk to us and need to be monitored and minimized. But let's remember a day before modern agriculture when the largest force behind the huge spice trade was a need to cover the flavor of decaying meat, when the potato famine swept ireland, when foods didn't last nearly as long before rotting, and when more was lost to weeds (requiring more tilling and more soil loss) and insects--prices would be higher and supplies lower without chemicals. Another way to look at it is that if pesticides or even irradiation (and admittedly the huge and safe contribution from efficient shipping and refrigeration) allow us to bring fresh fruits to the table, they may be preventing far more disease than they are causing by improving our diets.

The best and safest use of chemicals should be our goal, not necessarily their discontinuation.

Ugyelk: agreed, I wouldn't want to be a deer that's shot and lingers a while. Can't be a whole lot worse than being eaten alive by wolves, however. I'd still feel bad about inflicting the suffering, however, whereas the wolves would starve without it.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2001 10:24 pm 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian:
It's agreed that chemicals pose a risk to us and need to be monitored and minimized.
Agreed!

But let's remember a day before modern agriculture when the largest force behind the huge spice trade was a need to cover the flavor of decaying meat.

Couscous,zucchini etc. tend to be rather bland with out a little help too. I cook my buckwheat in game stock so it's got lots of flavor! Image

I agree that refrigeration and modern transportation have helped the diet.

The best and safest use of chemicals should be our goal, not necessarily their discontinuation.

Best and most efficient method of dispatching animals should be our goal as well , not necessarily the elimination of this excellent food source.A wise man once said"If God didn't want me to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat". Image

Ugyelk: agreed, I wouldn't want to be a deer that's shot and lingers a while.

I wouldn't want to be an ungulate either,I enjoy my position on the food chain,can't imagine being a prey species.

Can't be a whole lot worse than being eaten alive by wolves, however. I'd still feel bad about inflicting the suffering, however, whereas the wolves would starve without it.
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What we can't teach our canine friends to go vegetarian? Here's a link that shows what wolves do to gain sustenance. I've got no problem with it ,except that it's going on in my town,and am a wee bit concerned that one day they will discover human kids are a lot easier to bring down.This is what happens to the world when we opt out of the Eco system and stop hunting and start chowing down on veggies only.
http://www.banffcragnewspaper.com

Laird


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2001 4:53 am 
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I'm not sure how I understand how vegetarianism has disrupted the food chain in north america. Could you fill me in?


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