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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:11 pm 
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Someone sent this to me... found it quite interesting:

For those who don't know, Dennis Miller is a comedian who has a show called Dennis Miller Live on HBO. He is not Jewish.


He recently said the following about the Modest situation:

"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need.

Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention

Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was owned by Egypt , the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians."

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" anymore to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths, until someone points out they're being taped.


Instead, let's call them what they are : "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David but if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course -- that's where the real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel.

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth . . . you know that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Midleast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around & spit it out: 500 million Arabs; 5 million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that, if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals..

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the Numbers. Imagine 500 million Jews and 5 million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it . Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.

Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that, with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible, and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of super models who've just had their drugs taken away.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing moral weight. We've already lost some. After September 11th, our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day), start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan.

Please feel free to pass this along to your friends Walk in peace! Be Happy! Have a wonderful life

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:31 pm 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine# ... s_and_name

Wikipedia's not always reliable, but I'll give it odds as good as Dennis Miller. For anyone not interested in reading the article, it talks about palestinian history back to 66AD. In a nutshell, my opinion is that the Palestinians have some very legitimate complaints, though they don't have a right to claim Israel. Overall it's one of the most complicated political situations in the world.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:04 am 
yup fairly ignorant , wouldnt life be easier if there was a good guy and bad guy .

sometimes both sides are right and wrong


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:36 pm 
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Let's leave the general populations out of it. I'm sure that the fishermen mainly want to catch fish and the bakers mainly want to bake (although images of Palestinians dancing in the streets at 9/11 is etched in my memory).

Hamas and Hezbollah, on the other hand, have demonstrated an irrevocable commitment to Israel's complete destruction, to the point of undermining all peace agreements. If these militant groups had their way, all Jews (fishermen, bakers, politicians, and soldiers alike) would be dead. In my book, this makes Hamas and Hezbollah bad guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:25 pm 
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Actually a pretty simple issue.

Miller is correct---or VERY "politically incorrect." ;)

Prior to a series of crushing defeats of wars of aggression and unprovoked inavsions by various Arab States at the hands of Israel---the notion of a 'Palistinian" people in the modern context did not even exisit.

At least one major player in the PLO made very public statements confirmingi it back in the 70's.

True there is was a WORD "Palistine"--a word that meant vastly different things depending on what era of map your looking at.

(ranges from pretty much the WHOLE Middle East--to various "other" regions.)

But in the modern sense "Palistine" and 'Palistinians" simply don't exsist as an seperate people or nation.

The people current CALLED "Palistinians" are really just Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, etc--just like they were PRIOR to the failed attacks.

The ruse has been so successful that it takes some real digging to find information as to the "real" history.

Most people just "buy" the "party line" as it were.

One of the wost things people tend to overlook--is that claims of the "Palistinians" in the modern sense--INCLUDE huge tracts of lands in Jordan and to a lesser extent Egypt, Syria and Lebenon.

In those nations 'Palistinians" are often kept behind barbed wire and machine guns by their "brothers."

Lands claimed by Israel are just the tiny tip of a VERY large "iceberg."


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:31 am 
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Actually a pretty simple issue.


well ok , when youve got five minutes pop on over and sort the region out ok :lol: :? :wink:

yeah I know your isolating the label issue , but can we honestly do that , is there no agenda in doing so ? , is it that simple ?

semantics be damned , its the biggest stinking pile of crap on the planet .

it`s a complicated mess , no matter what you want to label the participants .


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 Post subject: No translation needed!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:42 pm 
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From my friend who is on the "pulling" end! :)

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Sorry, I need at least 25-30 min :)


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LOL on the cartoon! :)


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