A few gems from David:
explicitly/implicitly promised as the outcome of such "training". The
members are expected to figure it out for themselves."
That has always been my understanding of the martial arts concept as explained by Mattson sensei as well as the other Okinawan masters in their visits to the States !
"Of course, none of us in these "training" groups propose or imply
access to "hidden" inner teachings. To do so is to imply that one is
"better" than the others and can control access to that information
from the others. The premise of "sharing" of such a group would
than be violated. No. If someone wants access to "hidden"
knowledge, we have none and s/he had better find the right
teacher to initiate with."
True>> this is the real difference between a good teacher/ school and the Bull S @#$ teacher /dojo!
"Regarding "hidden teaching" (Okuden).. But, okuden,
has also been used as a device to maintain a hierarchy, a "we" and
"they", even within a school. This suggest a power structure that is
purposely maintained not as a natural outcome of experience and
understanding but of intent. Once in awhile you run into a so call
master who claims all the "teachings" of a particular style,
suggesting that others do not. Perhaps...
I must agree with this also ! Without offending anyone , We , over the long years , have had to put up with some very senior people who happened to study in Okinawa for some time frame and then come back to the states with a swollen head , strutting and preaching deep and dark secrets which we ' would not understand ' unless we traveled to Okinawa to study under A master ! In those days [ right or wrong] I measured the worth of any training in terms of fighting abilities in the wars of the 60's and 70's and my arguments in my sparring classes and fighting teams were always to the heart of the matter " If you have such secrets why can't you fight worth a damn and keep polishing our dojo floor with your ass "? Why can't you go up against Chuck Norris or Joe Lewis and kick their asses full contact ? Just about 100% of the enlightened ones either would not enter tournaments or would try to impress us with leg banging techniques !
So one day I took a leg banger and put him up against Jack London , one of my best kickers on the team and told him to offer his right leg , which he did ! With a conceited smile the leg banger went for the bait with a vicious low shin sweep aimed at the outside of the leg ..but I was smiling even wider as I knew what the outcome would be ! Jack's leg went up with the kick 's propulsion and then hooked back with the heel to the head of the hapless senior knocking him down ! Now isn't that a kick in the head?
Wait ..you say ..well he should have kicked the inside of the leg ..not the outside ..right ?? Hah ..that is what happened to a top fighter …all Okinawan champion , in the Okinawan championships when he went against our Bob Bethoney ! As the champ kicked bob inside the leg , Bob pulled on him our "secret technique " ! He just lifted his leg over the low shin slash and moved in with the same leg deep inside for a stunning throw and follow up seiken to the surprised face on the floor ! We have that on film btw !
" I guess the idea of "okuden" bothers me because of the latter.
Also, I tend not to believe in concept of so-called hidden
teachings. Given effort and time and some degree of talent, most
practitioners will at some point arrive at the same understanding of
a teacher. He may have to stumble here and there but will
eventually get there. A teacher can expedite by pointing out at
appropriate times but cannot stop a good student from learning by
Wiser words never said ! But the only way the 'Okuden' blessed marvel will learn this truth is by the rules of engagement , not by sitting up and stiffening his back into a Buddha position ! Our Clarence Wilder really loves those guys to feed his meat grinder !