Moderator: JOHN THURSTON
JOHN THURSTON wrote:Hi Mike:
I understand that no declaration of War is or was in effect.
That is the heart of the question.
The war powers act did not seem to slow George down.[end quote]
I'm not sure what happened to the War Powers Act since the 1970s. George senior got around it by saying it was a UN action. Clinton got around it by saying it was a NATO action. Dubbya doesn't have either to fall behind and yet he has done what he pleases. One can only fault Congress for letting him.feeel you ar totallty incorrect about the effect of this on the soldiers in the field.
I have two friends whose children have done a total of 4 Iraq tours.
I do not feel they are happy about this. Soldiers statement I have seen from the field already suggest that the soldiers now no longer "buy" the mission, and it is back to the garrison mentality and cya.
American soldiers have never fought well without a 'cause'. I am sure that some of the professionals don't care one way or the other, but the basic fact of the matter remains.[un quote]
My opinion was that the soldiers over there are not all in unity as our president and every-shrinking oligarchy would like us to believe. No offense to Rich C., but he's not the only one to deal with soldiers going over to fight. In my position, for example, I get to see the kids before they enlist and listen to their idealistic "company policy" and then I get to hear it from them when they come back totally changed from that point-of-view.I am not seeking a a battle over the War.[end quote]
[But what do we actually do?????]
How about doing what a democratically elected government should be doing....listening to the people? The MAJORITY of the people want us out of this hell-hole. The generals want us out. Today an active colonel has fired his dissatisfaction over the airways. Dubbya has dug his heels in and lunatics, like John McCain want us to not only continue this bloodbath but expand it a la Richard Nixon. Not only is that wrong, it's criminal.You seem to think this loss will not affect the War on terror. Despite the fact that the war is flawed and unwinnable-----does this mean or resolve in the next situation, about which a president might be correct, as is deemed the case in Afghanistan, will be non existent???[end quote]
Well, prove me wrong. Are you so naive that you think terrorism will end if we eliminate every Afghan or Iraqi there is? Do you think the other extremists in the Middle East or of the home-grown variety (a.k.a Tim McVie) is suddenly going to look at us with a new-found respect? Stop it. There is no evidence to suggest that us being over in Iraq and Afghanistan will reslove anything except a loss in money (which yes, we'll have to pay back sometime), and life (which you can't replace).If so, I think we have a serious problem on our hands.
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