I thought Fred's opening thoughts were pretty good.
Perhaps I am easily satisfied.
So, do we want this to be a, uh, what kind of thread:
Name your poison.
From recollection I will note that the Tomato and tobacco were imports from the New World.
Vermicelli (of probably most anykind) was initially introduced from China.
Thus, the dish we always associate with Italian cuisine basics: "Spaghetti and Tomato Sauce " could not exist before--ah when??
Syphillis is often repherred to as "The Revenge of The New World" upon the old for the number of diseases introduced into the New World from the Old, including, and in legalese, would have included:
So, syphillis was rather a small revenge.
I hope to start a thread to be called "The Dying Fields for the Native American".
The havoc wrote upon the New World World by the Old (unintentionally or uncaringly) started a wave of death that remained evident for Centuries, decimating the Native American populations (from Aztec to Nipmuck) time and time and time again.
So, Fred has introduced us into an area of largely undiscussed Death that is not really even thought of enough..
As a note, i understand that in specific areas contributors to this forum have knowledge that often FAR outstrips mine-that's ok.
I exist here on;y to provide a framework sometimes.
My first introduction to a part of this wave of death came in the 1950's movie "The Command" about a wagon train moving west escorted by US Cavarly.
Subsequent experience indicates that Cavalry escort for the settlers "Under The Elephant" on the Oregon Trail, or other ways West, was mostly NOT!!!
Nevertheless, accidentally, per the movie i viewed as a kid, when the Train was beleagured by a large group of Native Americans, it was decided to leave one wagon (ONE) behind because the family in the Wagon had an unknown sickness.
It turned out to be (just??) Chicken Pox, but, it discouraged further attacks on the Train after the wagon as the "Pox" Americana immediatley wiped out a rather large percentage of the attackers who had no resistance to what we would call today 'a childhood disease".
I am sure this is based on fact.
Many tribes in South America still have no resistance to old world disease.
Efforts to keep them isolated and, thus, alive, if you will do not seem to be 'completely effective' to say the least.
Now, do I have specifics on tribes and locations ready to hand? No.
Not being an expert on Disease Control, this is only, in part, a suppostion.
Gary Jennings in "Aztec" (I can't find my copy) began to get my attention in this area a decade or so ago.
Nonetheless this largely undocumented wave of death remained for the Pilgrims to find in bone studded century old Native American settlements found empty and deserted.
Perhaps 75% of the Native American population in pre columbian Eastern and Central Mass.( alone) I 'gestimate' to have DIED due to this tremendous shock wave eveidence of which remained for the incoming colonists of Mass. Bay and Plymoth Colony to find..
Cape Cod had been named so for decades before the "landing" of the pilgrims by fisherman who preceded them and perhaps sowed the seeds of natice american apocalypse in New England.
The book that touched lightly on the effects of the 'unitentional biological warfare' is "Mayflower" (sorry I am on a roll here and I will post the author tommorrow)
I attended Holy Cross College. It sits on a hill occupied by the "Nipmucks" prior to King Phillips War. It is called in Nipmuckese: "Mount Pakachoag" (Jesuitically renamed Mount St, James).
And, pretty much until recently, never pondered the fate of this tribe which flourished there hundreds over years, perhaps, before the founding of the College in 1843.
The Nipmucks picked the wrong side to back in King Phillip's War, and did not fare well at all.
I still cannot totally pretend to comprehend the Nipmucks made thes decision to follow Metacomet (King Phillip) whose tribal roots seemed to have lain a bit more to the East.
I did titles going back to the Mayflower Compact and the "12 Great Lots" of Plymoth" and, (i am told), Western titles often date back to Spanish Land Grants for title and documents such as these, at least here, (in the East) remained the origins of "title' ( a the European concept probably never seriously entertained by the Native Americans.)
One quote allegedly dating to King Phillip's War upon burying a Plymouth or Bay Colony captive: "so, you wished to plant things to stay, so we have planted you".
Garrison Styles Homes take their name and design from a 'garrison house'
dating to the western and northern fringes of Plymouth Colony (my town perhaps the nothern most of these 'fringe towns".( Duxbury and Marshfield for a start).
These fringes were rather themselves decimated during King Phillip's War.
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