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f.Channell wrote:My own ancestor Susannah Martin was hung as a Salem witch. It was her third trial for it.
Was Sadam a witchhunt? Be interesting to see the story history will tell.
The reason that I posted about Hugh's religion is that the two things seem to be in conflict. In my book anyway
"thou shalt not kill" being the first one and the second being "though shalt not bare false witness" ( and I apply that to bush and blairs lies about Iraq)
but consider this, suppose that I was from Germany and my family had a long and distinguished history of military service. Could I then justify being a death camp commandant?
..........a little extreme comparison perhaps, but at some point there is going to be a conflict of interests. This war was brought to us by lies.horrible lies, and it's horrible that folks with such power and authority should use them.look at tony blair.or tony b.liar as he is known by many..raking in all the blood money that he can for supporting bush............when prime minister of the UK he was badly indebt.............now he's a multi millionaire..he didn't serve he took
look at this ..for some more "baring false witness"
f.Channell wrote:Hi Van, In other places the Bible states if you do this or that you will surely be put to death. While Hugh and I are discussing our witch relatives the Bible states "thou shall not suffer a witch to live". I suppose the bible being as big as it is there's something for everyone. Good and ugly alike.
There's a book "A witch in the Family" avaiable online or at stores about my 10th grandmother, Susannah Martin. Most people don't realize by the time you go back 20 generations you have 1.4 million grandparents. You have 8 great grandparents alone. 16 great-great grandparents. so Hugh and I share our witch relatives with 100's of thousands of people. I like Susannah because she told off Cotton Mather. Tough old gal.
Quakers were key people in the drive west, and also into Canada being persecuted by everyone, including our cuddly puritan pilgrims. The pilgrims wanted religious freedom, but evidently no one else could have it. Quakers arrived only a few years after the pilgrims.
Quakers also aided escaped slaves as they left southern plantations. Quaker meeting houses were key stops in the underground railroad.
I'm sure Hugh knows of other great things they achieved. But just a few mentions to keep their accomplishments in perspective.
Frankly I'm looking over old posts and don't see where Jorvik and Hugh disagree? The religious principles stated belong to all Christians. Probably in the Koran also.
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