Stryke wrote:E gads that almost made sense !!!
Actually a lot of it made sense from a WCK and CMA prespective..
A good example:
fivedragons wrote:I do alot of different exercises that involve cultivating the ability to move as slowly, as relaxed and with as little rational thought as is mentally and physically possible.
I usually ****** at it because I am human and want to get it over with.
If I didn't know better I would say Five is talking about doing the Siu Lim Tao, the first form in WCK... Are you?
This is how the first section of this form is played very slowly, slower than a Tai Chi form but the reasoning for this as I see it can be found in part here:
fivedragons wrote:The actual movements are already habitual and there is no thought of what they are for, except as the expression of the energy that you are passively observing.
The slow movement trains the presence of energy used in structural tools such as, forward spring energy, etc., into the subconscious this way. This reminds me of much of our training, as in the chi sao your hands move and adapt to control, defend and attack, but the conscious mind does not, cannot follow the action step by step. Later the actions will happen so fast in front of your eyes that your hands will appear to belong to someone else and moving faster than you can see.. If you notice this though you will choke and loose your <external/selfless> focus, this will cause a slowdown and trip up of flow and if the other guys is good you just got clocked....
I think this process allows the subconcious to savour and drink in the most minute changes that are taking place in the posture, muscles, nerves, cardiovascular system, blood vessels, etc...
Anyway, just slowing down time and suspending the self conscious mind in order to imprint the state of observing/acting as one thing. The yin and the yang as the tao.
Yes I agree.. When you play the motion very slowly, so slowly that you no longer associate a particular conscious intent other than perhaps controlling the center as we are taught, the motion, action and energy becomes part of the subconscious, as we say later on after a time, you no longer do kung fu the kung fu does you.
I`m sure Jim would quote sensitivity training as Wing Chuns way of shortcutting the loop
It's not clear what the big picture impact is of the chi sao it programs a lot of "stuff."
The idea in all the WCK training is to make the actions automatic and this is why no patterns of attack defense are taught in training attack or defense. This way the only expectation is that energy will be coming your way and you'll have to deal with it. By training using mainly tactile sensitivity with a speciic energy strategy a common thread is used to bypass the visual and cognitive processing center speeding up recognition many fold.
Humans seem to react in a more instinctual way when training by feel vs. sight, folks more easily turn off their “reflective self” and are then able to focus totally on what’s happening outside, the opponent and becoming the echo of his actions.
We talk about the flinch but not what or how the flinch is caused.. Was it caused by a loud noise, a scream, a shout, was it from seeing something coming at you from nowhere, did you suddenly feel someone grab you, touch you, etc?
In the case of feeling something happen I can tell you that the sensitivity training does not need to wait for any conscious processing to act and if the "surprise" is felt you will react and without thought or delay if you train to.
In this case:
Feel => Act
See => Act
Under attacks/controls that are felt the feel will tell your CNS a lot more, a lot faster than will the visual and cognitive process.
So where's the flinch? It all depends IMO as I suggested that the flinch is simply the programmed system responding to the hardwired request.. The hardwire request demands some action and if it can't find anything it does a best guess. In training we can give it a better, faster and a more tactically sound guess.