But am interested in why one terms it natural stance ..... there is something in that , is it common for a reason, or natural ?
IMO it's cultural.. The overall position (general) is mainstream culture and specific variations are sub-cultural (dojo/school)..
The influence of cultural norms (which also expand via pop culture) IMO is the main influence.. Some schools will no doubt create something more stylistic or exotic but MOST folks are similar and often mimic western boxing in this country and many others.
but I`m mostly with Mike , the stance isnt what you have to defeat , any static postion is flawed .
I agree but see some exceptions.
The initial position does create reference points and geometric shapes.. A static posture or ready posture that sets up its own geometry or shapes is setting up its positional/structural strategy even before something happens. The static nature is not flawed IMO unless and until it fails to change in response to what comes next--when it changes it does so to maintain or improve positional dominance.. 'To change with change is the changeless change..'
Then the 'stance' and everything else--must be alive
and changing, sometimes changing so fast you'd swear there is no stance--but the good ones will still have the root and alignment in movement.
Jim , what you are saying is; pretty much what I was attempting to articulate on the other thread up to a certain point,but I must confess I am not always overly explanatory,and it all depends were we fix our awareness level's. this is natural and allied to our understandings of subjects ,When I was an apprentice ,a major task given to me was to roll and pick up mortar with the bricklayers trowel ,straight away I could gather this made good sound sense to me ,the position and set up was ; mortar board 4" above ground level , me bent double ,with knees slightly bent ,after two hrs of this position and trowel practice ,I found myself going down on to either knee to rest ,This was insane my young thoughts at work .
After a ten to fifteen min break time ,back to work ,but same thing ,but this time the bricklayer would not let me go down on to knees for a breather ,when he turned his back to me I learned to get a very quick rest , after a few days of this , he now turned around to catch me out constantly ,any call away via the master bricklayer were rest periods from this pain , my back legs and wrists were aching beyond anything I had so far experienced in life .
But after a month of this torture ,I was hung in there ,a new motion was introduced ,a shift from the crouched pick up position with trowel and mortar to a flowing placement of the mortar on to the brickwork ,and these positions were interacted for 8hrs a day in a slow distinct style of movement ,attempt to speed up and I got a slap from the bricklayer ,but he was moving like lightening from crouched pick up to placement ,but picking up a brick also ,two handed work ,to me the crouched position was becoming more comfortable allied with the turn away from the mortar board .
New meaning was coming through to me now , as I watched my bricklayers work ,they wisked through a weeks work in crouched postion doing low level work ,it was childs play to them ,I was now seeing the importance of my uncomfortable initial work that set me up for the other aspects . to truly know this ,one would have to experience with skilled men who knew how much was in that initial learning experience .