Hi Robb ,
Welcome back ! Love your arguments ! Lets see :
1] Youth violence : No area of the criminal justice system is more wanting ! Juvenile criminals account for one sixth of murders and rapes , one quarter of robberies , burglaries and theft ! A Chicago analysis drew a bead on a group of 317 juvenile offenders ! This handful had already been arrested an average of thirteen times a piece from murder to rapes to assault ! The result : an average of ten months in a juvenile hall ! Now up to the last century , juveniles , if old enough to have the required criminal intent , were simply tried as adults ! They were sent to special reformatories to protect them from exposure to adult convicts ! Then we have the liberal " reformers" arguing for a "system" of rehab through court sponsored programs ! Then in 1966 the US Supreme court brought some sweeping changes , no doubt you are familiar with , which has made the juvenile system the best of all possible worlds for offenders who face only the treatment given a wayward child , a lecture , a few months in a juvenile hall and his records destroyed to give the punk a fresh start ! Then the juvenile system was hit by the demographic of crime ; the rise in criminality combined with the minor sanctions have produced an explosion of juvenile crime overloading the system resulting in warnings and the proverbial 'slap on the wrist' even upon the conviction of rape and armed robbery ! So who is responsible for recidivism in youth violence ??
2] Guns cause domestic violence ?
Yea right ! Take the guns away and domestic killings disappear , right ? Take your pick , shot ,stabbed, hammered , strangled , clobbered ; which way do you prefer to die ??
3] < the
rest of the civilized world.> ?
Okay ! Tell me why in Switzerland where every citizen is required by the Government to have a gun in the house there are no such problems ! This is not to suggest that the Swiss system would work in the US , but it does show that there is no causal relationship between firearms possession and crime !
4] < faith in the police to know their local criminals > ? < The shame of
Manzanar should haunt us all.) > ??
Man , you are relentless in your quest for a red herring !
5] < From the Ford Theater to the drive-by
shooting in a Ford, guns are the preferred weapon.>
True , but take the guns away and see what happens !
6] < dispossessing an entire group of people of their civil liberties in order
to stop one person.> ?
No I am not advocating that at all ; I am looking for a solution instead of your semantically approach to the problems !
……..1994 ….Richmond Virginia , woke up to one of the worst murder rates in the /country ! 149 homicides for a city of only 200,000; San Diego averages 150 out of a population of 1,2000.000! Richmond goes to full alert …police strike forces in "hot spots" -- , roadblocks-bicycle patrols -- , citizen patrols-curfews - pay phone restrictions - arresting truants-mentoring--, boot camps-specialized courts for speedy trials ! Zero tolerance …working very well but for the challenge by the ACLU ! Unlimited civil liberties , historically, have sunk Empires ! There has to be a reasonable compromise or we will experience the crime wave predictions by 2005 acknowledged by our president and republican candidates opposing him !
Stop'n' frisk is nothing more than a temporary restriction of freedom for gang bangers known to police to curtail a problem fatal to us all ! But this common sense arrangement is too 'simple ' to be grasped by the ACLU and pacifist liberals ! This is how you get the guns off the streets !
Not realistic you say ? Yet in Chicago's public housing why did Clinton try to circumvent the fourth amendment in allowing random searches of apartments without warrants or probable cause ? …… " Find a way around the constitution" he instructed the justice department ----to forestall the greater evil of criminal activity !!
7] < OH, and as to the folks in Orange Co.--- The civil rights leaders recognized that even when disobeying
immoral and unconstitutional laws, they would be subject to arrest.>
True , but some of those people would not agree with you as how it was done ! Their civil liberties were not respected as much as they would have you believe ! And the ACLU ,being antigun , did not intervene ; and BTW , where were they in the Waco incident ?
8] < NOW, don't faint, but I have often wondered what the outcome
would have been had everyone in Burger King been armed when a
group of robbers entered. While I think it might have stopped the
robbers, I must also wonder how many would have died from friendly
We will never know , will we ! Which do you think is worse !! This is the mentality of the ' brave ' American who is in favor of killing innocent Serbian civilians for fear of American soldiers casualties !
9] < For this particular
suspect, and I fear for most, there was or is no nexus between the
act of violence and any sense of moral responsibility or eventual
Better policies might decrease the likelihood of some people to commit crimes , but the only way right now is to reinstate respect for morals in society as well as punishing individuals for their crimes ! People no longer accept anyone's rules of conduct but their own ! The Apologists " inside the beltway" love to blame society ! But being poor or not having a pair of $100 tennis shoes should never be an excuse for killing another person ! For centuries children were treated as little more than property , yet there was non consequent crime wave ! Historically lower income neighborhoods were quite safe ! Crime should be understood most fundamentally as a moral problem . Those who steal , murder , rape ..are committing an evil act ; evil grows exponentially , crimes committed for no purpose than to harm others ; irrational brutality is abundantly clear !
In the Washington post , on July 9, 1989 , Doug Bandow of the Cato institute warned " gun control has proved to be a grievous failure , a means of disarming honest citizens without limiting the fire power available to those who prey on the law abiding ! Attempting to use the legal system to punish the weapon rather than the person using the weapon is similarly doomed to fail "