Exceeding the Speed Limit or Just Going With the Flow
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:38 am
Greetings,
Rather than disrupt the flow on the other thread I thought I would place my post here and invite others to chime in as they see fit....
I hope you can overcome our hijacking your thread (not that lawlessness in Iraq does not interest me as a topic of discussion)......
Perhaps we should take it to another thread.......
Sensei Glasheen,
THis topic has been on my mind for a looooooooooooong time. I would hazard to guess that both you and I are giving mini lectures simulatnaeously on opposites coasts on this very topic........
My take is as follows....I start with the science......These roads (highways I am really referring to) were engineered to do originaly 75 plus mph (safely) at a time when the tires we drove on had no steel threads embedded in most of them (making the stopping distances be much larger). Back then most cars had four drum brakes instead of at least one set of disk brakes (greater stopping power), if not two sets (one on each axle). Back then there was no such thing as Anti-lock brakes......We had no safety crumple zones or air bags or three point safety belts (heck, did they evenb have safety belts......
Now lets jump forward to today at a time when Americans are, on average, commuting greater and greater distances to their work place, road congestion is getting worse on both coasts and most everywhere in between. I dont think you could name a new car incapable of doing at least a 100 miles per hour, and yet we are stuck with a draconian speed limit of how much, 55? Why not make it 25? We would certainly be a lot safer and we would consume far less fuel as donkeys and mules could be put back on the road (taking a page out Panther & UglyElk's books - "Rant Mode=off") for the sake of the environment......
Seriously, our local rag, the LA times, has its weekly section devoted to cars and things automotive. Every week they come out with some new article about the newest vehicle and how they can accelerate from 0 to 60 in less than 10 seconds, less than 8 or even 6 seconds (I cannnot afford most of these). What? You think they stop at 60?
And then, in some other section of the paper, there it was........
The Article.......
The one that was supposed to shame us all or shock us all........
What was the article about?????????
The article was about how shocking it was that there was a plethora of drivers caught by the state police (think chips) driving in excess of 100 MPH............
Am I supposed to feel bad because I exceeded 100 mph on an open road in which visibility exceeds several miles (straight road, perfect weather, 400 miles to San Francisco, should be able to get there in about five hours right?-ok, let me not incriminate myself too much).......
Bill mentions a govenor for the engine ( a horrible little device that can limit your vehicles top speed arbitrarily)......It would seem to me that if the government does not want me to exceed certain speeds, it could very easily fix that by mandating speed limiting devices for vehicles designed to be used on our highways......I dont want this......
I think what we have is a highly hypocritical rule of law in this case. The revenues generated from speeding from must be enourmous and getting higher every week.....What does state govt do in case of budget shortfall, go find some "Quality violators" which is gobly #### for soembody doing over 90 (or some other major infraction).....
Who else benfits from this hypocritical set of laws? The insurance industry sure comes to my mind. Bill, what happens to your insurance premiums when you get caught doing 90 plus........
The govt is more than willing to let you hang yourself and then they collect a fee....if this was about safety, and since they cant be everywhere, they would insist manufacturers put those nasty little devices in to slow us down...............
The laws, to be followed by the people, must be reasonable. If you doubt my arguments, then do the speed limit on any American freeway, but make sure you are in one of the passing lanes.....I hope you dont get run off the road doing the poosted speed limit cuz nobody in their right mind does that.........the speed limits we have today were mostly established decades ago and are so irrelevant that almost no one even bothers anymore......
city streets and downtown driving are mostly another matter as limited visibility, congestion, traffic signals and stops signs make that a different issue (IMHO).....Bill, you ever do 100 mph down main street? Me neither, but I did go 103 in a 74 nova with only 7 cylinders firing on the mass turnpike (at 3 am when nearly no one else was around)
come on, suppose you live 30 miles from your work place and you commute that distance every day with the average commute time about one hour (please note that that average speed is 30 mph)....You have driven this road so many times that you now know every curve, every bump, every major interchange, every on ramp & off-ramp, you know where the fuzz likes to hang out.......you have arranged with your boss that you come late and leave late every day so as to miss much of the rush hour traffic.....
so here you are in your hyundai sonata (even these pieces of whatever can exceed 100 mph), doing 73 in the passing lane, but you want to get 'er up to about 78 or so (you dont want to be the fastest guy or gal on the road cuz he or she is the one who usually gets the ticket). What is preventing you from passing the minivan in front of you? Well, the driver is busy on the cell phone and insisting on their right to do the speed limit in the passing lane (the minivan isnt actually passing anyone, they have been doing the same speed as the vehicle to their right for the last three miles and have slowed down every time you tried to politely signal your intention to use the passing lane for its ostensible purpose, passing other slower traffic). That minivan will stay in the passing lane all day if you dont make an aggressive move. Why? its conforting to be in the far left lane, fewer lanes of traffic to be concerned with....in fact, you need to be able to take your concentration off the road so you can focus on your fone call.........
so what finally happens.....the sonata makes a move, passing on the right (a somewhat dangerous move due to the greater blindspots on the right side of the vehicle), illegal in many states, but not in others. After making his move, the sonata cuts over to the far left, in front of the minivan, and jams on his breaks to make a point.....dude, how uncool, you just made me spill my cafe latte all over my new leather seats and brand new cell phone......
hang up and drive.........
NOTE: I do recognize that the increasing use of our highways by larger and larger trucks is part of the reason that so many slow drivers are in the passing lanes, but that does not explain their inattentiveness to the road..........
the one i like best is the jerk doing the speed limit and when you finally pass em on the right since he wouldnt let you go the normal route, you find he has a bok in his hands and he is actually trying to read it............and you are worried about me doing 90 while some jerk is reading while driving.....at least I have my eyes on the road.......
ATH
Rather than disrupt the flow on the other thread I thought I would place my post here and invite others to chime in as they see fit....
I hope you can overcome our hijacking your thread (not that lawlessness in Iraq does not interest me as a topic of discussion)......
Perhaps we should take it to another thread.......
Sensei Glasheen,
THis topic has been on my mind for a looooooooooooong time. I would hazard to guess that both you and I are giving mini lectures simulatnaeously on opposites coasts on this very topic........
My take is as follows....I start with the science......These roads (highways I am really referring to) were engineered to do originaly 75 plus mph (safely) at a time when the tires we drove on had no steel threads embedded in most of them (making the stopping distances be much larger). Back then most cars had four drum brakes instead of at least one set of disk brakes (greater stopping power), if not two sets (one on each axle). Back then there was no such thing as Anti-lock brakes......We had no safety crumple zones or air bags or three point safety belts (heck, did they evenb have safety belts......
Now lets jump forward to today at a time when Americans are, on average, commuting greater and greater distances to their work place, road congestion is getting worse on both coasts and most everywhere in between. I dont think you could name a new car incapable of doing at least a 100 miles per hour, and yet we are stuck with a draconian speed limit of how much, 55? Why not make it 25? We would certainly be a lot safer and we would consume far less fuel as donkeys and mules could be put back on the road (taking a page out Panther & UglyElk's books - "Rant Mode=off") for the sake of the environment......
Seriously, our local rag, the LA times, has its weekly section devoted to cars and things automotive. Every week they come out with some new article about the newest vehicle and how they can accelerate from 0 to 60 in less than 10 seconds, less than 8 or even 6 seconds (I cannnot afford most of these). What? You think they stop at 60?
And then, in some other section of the paper, there it was........
The Article.......
The one that was supposed to shame us all or shock us all........
What was the article about?????????
The article was about how shocking it was that there was a plethora of drivers caught by the state police (think chips) driving in excess of 100 MPH............
Am I supposed to feel bad because I exceeded 100 mph on an open road in which visibility exceeds several miles (straight road, perfect weather, 400 miles to San Francisco, should be able to get there in about five hours right?-ok, let me not incriminate myself too much).......
Bill mentions a govenor for the engine ( a horrible little device that can limit your vehicles top speed arbitrarily)......It would seem to me that if the government does not want me to exceed certain speeds, it could very easily fix that by mandating speed limiting devices for vehicles designed to be used on our highways......I dont want this......
I think what we have is a highly hypocritical rule of law in this case. The revenues generated from speeding from must be enourmous and getting higher every week.....What does state govt do in case of budget shortfall, go find some "Quality violators" which is gobly #### for soembody doing over 90 (or some other major infraction).....
Who else benfits from this hypocritical set of laws? The insurance industry sure comes to my mind. Bill, what happens to your insurance premiums when you get caught doing 90 plus........
The govt is more than willing to let you hang yourself and then they collect a fee....if this was about safety, and since they cant be everywhere, they would insist manufacturers put those nasty little devices in to slow us down...............
The laws, to be followed by the people, must be reasonable. If you doubt my arguments, then do the speed limit on any American freeway, but make sure you are in one of the passing lanes.....I hope you dont get run off the road doing the poosted speed limit cuz nobody in their right mind does that.........the speed limits we have today were mostly established decades ago and are so irrelevant that almost no one even bothers anymore......
city streets and downtown driving are mostly another matter as limited visibility, congestion, traffic signals and stops signs make that a different issue (IMHO).....Bill, you ever do 100 mph down main street? Me neither, but I did go 103 in a 74 nova with only 7 cylinders firing on the mass turnpike (at 3 am when nearly no one else was around)
come on, suppose you live 30 miles from your work place and you commute that distance every day with the average commute time about one hour (please note that that average speed is 30 mph)....You have driven this road so many times that you now know every curve, every bump, every major interchange, every on ramp & off-ramp, you know where the fuzz likes to hang out.......you have arranged with your boss that you come late and leave late every day so as to miss much of the rush hour traffic.....
so here you are in your hyundai sonata (even these pieces of whatever can exceed 100 mph), doing 73 in the passing lane, but you want to get 'er up to about 78 or so (you dont want to be the fastest guy or gal on the road cuz he or she is the one who usually gets the ticket). What is preventing you from passing the minivan in front of you? Well, the driver is busy on the cell phone and insisting on their right to do the speed limit in the passing lane (the minivan isnt actually passing anyone, they have been doing the same speed as the vehicle to their right for the last three miles and have slowed down every time you tried to politely signal your intention to use the passing lane for its ostensible purpose, passing other slower traffic). That minivan will stay in the passing lane all day if you dont make an aggressive move. Why? its conforting to be in the far left lane, fewer lanes of traffic to be concerned with....in fact, you need to be able to take your concentration off the road so you can focus on your fone call.........
so what finally happens.....the sonata makes a move, passing on the right (a somewhat dangerous move due to the greater blindspots on the right side of the vehicle), illegal in many states, but not in others. After making his move, the sonata cuts over to the far left, in front of the minivan, and jams on his breaks to make a point.....dude, how uncool, you just made me spill my cafe latte all over my new leather seats and brand new cell phone......
hang up and drive.........
NOTE: I do recognize that the increasing use of our highways by larger and larger trucks is part of the reason that so many slow drivers are in the passing lanes, but that does not explain their inattentiveness to the road..........
the one i like best is the jerk doing the speed limit and when you finally pass em on the right since he wouldnt let you go the normal route, you find he has a bok in his hands and he is actually trying to read it............and you are worried about me doing 90 while some jerk is reading while driving.....at least I have my eyes on the road.......
ATH