Ian,
you are repeating yourself, again (you already told me i have issues)......most folks who tell me i have issues are like you and have no interest in helping to resolve those issues (they just seem to like to say, "get help" and run away like a sissy without the guts to hang out and help-so perhaps you would like to use the door, it wont hit you on the way out).......no one has forced you to respond (although you do get major kudos for doing so, these aren’t easy issues to deal with)......
I have always been a laughingstock in these forums (isnt the plural version of forum, fora? Not sure) so why change now (but thanks for pointing it out).........I was a major laughingstock a few years back when i took a very anti-war stance.......some things never change.......
I would rather people laugh than cry or be angry.......and if what i say makes folks cry or be angry, that is sometimes on me and sometimes on them.........
I believe it is women (for example.....National organization for women) who claim to be the biggest victims......men are never allowed to claim to be victimized (cuz if we dare to claim to have been victimized, we get fools rushing in to tell us how it aint that bad, it didn’t really happen, and you shouldn’t feel bad anyway cuz women - or some other worthy victimized group - are the biggest victims, they have it worse).......I never said i was the biggest victim, but when i am told i should be ignored cuz there is a bigger victim out there, i say freak you, i never asked for biggest victim award, i merely stated a point (if you want to award the biggest victim medal to my puny chest, i aint asking for it, i am only asking to be acknowledged as existing as a man, not a beast).........(slight exaggeration, very little).....
Dont take me so seriously, Ian, and you wont be so disappointed.......but don’t ignore me either, or you will miss out.......
I am not sold on everything i post (much of it makes me wonder, but nor do i totally disagree with what I post)......I don’t believe that gravity is any worse for women than men, for example......i may post something and not give my opinion cuz i want to know how you feel........I may post something and not give my opinion cuz i want to know you the folks who populate these boards feel about what I posted (but i didn’t post what i posted so i could receive personal attacks (I am pretty good at defending myself verbally and will do so from time to time, more often than is good for me, likely, but again, i am dealing with a big issue that generally doesn’t get much play.....political correctness is well endowed with feminist rhetoric (and kudos, great play on words to put down the men's movement....very suave)))))))))))))
this stuff has made me think a lot (about what i was taught and what I believed - you wouldn’t hesitate to lend sympathy to a woman raised in a heavily patriarchal family just as you wouldn’t empathize for a second with a man raised in a heavily matriarchal family)........I was raised in a heavily matriarchal family and I dared to question the status quo (as I was taught to question authority, I dared to do so, but what I later learned is that I was supposed to question male authority, not the authority of females)……
I still believe in equality for women, equality of OPPORTUNITY, not necessarily of outcome and i am still trying to figure out what are the implications of that statement (good and bad).........
you might think me crazy or lazy or stupid or angry and unresolved (that don’t make you right and me wrong, that just makes you judgmental).......
I used to say stuff that was as rational and centered as i could get (not necessarily here) and i would have people tell me i was angry and offensive.....Seeing as i had tried as hard as i could to be nice and was attacked anyway, i figured, why not be NOT nice as a point of reference.......
A man i knew and respected once told me that "There is a time to be nice and a time to be NOT nice" (this was a hard lesson to learn since i had been taught to always be nice-some lessons i learned better than others)......
When being nice fails, I tend toward the NOT nice......When my nice behavior is misinterpreted as being a butthole, i often go straight to being NOT nice for a point of comparison....
Don’t be in a hurry Ian…..it will happen when it happens…….you accused me of not posting any links to back up what I said, and now you accuse me of posting too many links (you claim I posted thousands of links….. I find that to be an exaggeration)……..
I posted as many links as I could find that backed up what I was saying…..you can take as long as you like to go through these links and refute them if you are able…….Rather than go through my links and find that I am not as far off as you claim, just ignore my links, claiming there are too many (the more links I post the more you can claim to be false, certainly, they cannot all be correct)…….as crazy as you claim me to be, you couldn’t find links of mine that were way off the top……..maybe what I have to say has some backers besides myself and a far larger audience than most would believe……
If you are unable to refute any of my links, please feel free to attack me personally and the men’s movement in general, it will just indicate that you are at least as shrill as you claim I am.
In one side of your mouth you say, “Don’t be afraid to sound like a pussy” and out of the other side of your mouth you say, “You sure sound like a pussy”…….I know I have my inconsistencies, are you aware of your own?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
This thread and those along the same lines, while having few posts, has lots of reads (whose opinions we don’t know)….these threads are like icebergs (a few folks posting above the water line and most folks having their opinions out of sight, under the water line)…..Knowing how personal the attacks get when one questions the dominant societal meme, it doesn’t surprise me that most folks keep their opinions to themselves until public opinion changes…….