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Georgia Rape Case?

Postby Akil Todd Harvey » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:55 pm

Background: An 11-year-old Georgia girl claims that an 8-year-old and two 9-year-old boys kidnapped and raped her, and they have been criminally charged. While the girl sounded credible during the brief CNN interview, there are several elements of the case which call her account into question.



In the story, one of the boys' fathers said that if there was sex between his son and the girl, it was consensual.

When asked for a response, incredibly, Police Chief Michael Wilkie of Acworth (pictured) told CNN that because children that young cannot legally consent to sex, "we have to go with the charges we have"--in other words, the rape charges. So let's say that the 11 year-old girl and one of the boys did have consensual sex. Because children cannot legally consent to sex, that means that the girl has been raped and the boy is a rapist? Even though they're both children? Even though the girl is considerably older than the boy?

The full story is below. The video link is here.

Three boys, 8 and 9, charged with raping 11-year-old girl
CNN, 11/19/07

MARIETTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Three boys, ages 8 and 9, were charged Monday with raping an 11-year-old girl last week, court officials and police said.

"Never in my 20-plus years of law enforcement have I conceived of something like this," Police Chief Michael Wilkie of Acworth, Georgia, told CNN.

Clad in blue jumpsuits, the two 9-year-olds and one 8-year-old appeared in court in Cobb County, north of Atlanta, on Monday afternoon and were ordered to remain in custody until a further hearing. Family members were in court for their appearance, which was closed to reporters.

Wilkie said the girl told investigators she was raped Thursday evening. She was examined by doctors after her family reported the allegation late Saturday, and investigators questioned her extensively on Sunday, he said.

The father of one of the boys told The Associated Press that no force was used against the girl, and said the allegations have been leveled because the accuser "didn't want to get in trouble with her parents." Watch chief describe parents' reactions to charges against their sons »

But Wilkie said children that young cannot legally consent to sex, "so we have to go with the charges we have."

He told the AP one of the boys was accused of threatening to hit the girl with a rock before the alleged assault.

He also said the investigation is "far from over," and investigators are looking into claims that after the alleged attack, the girl talked about it with her friends at a slumber party, the AP reported.

"The investigators who are following up on this have had a lot specialized training of forensic interviews with children," Wilkie told CNN. "We've sent them to a number of courses for this, and so we're confident that we've done that part of the investigation as best as we can. We think her story at this point is credible and that's why we went forward with the warrants."

He said investigators have lined up counseling for the girl, "and we'll follow up on this and hope that it comes to as best a resolution at the end as we can."

The girl's mother told WGCL-TV in Atlanta, "They do need to be taught a lesson because if they do it to her, they could do it to somebody else. And who knows when they become teenagers what they can do to other girls."

Cobb County District Attorney Pat Head told reporters the current rape charges against the boys would be replaced with juvenile charges, since they are too young to be prosecuted on felony charges. Under Georgia law, juvenile defendants must be at least 13 before a case can be transferred to the adult system.

The juvenile charges could bring up to five years probation and time in a state youth home if the boys are ruled delinquent.

Juvenile Court Judge A. Gregory Poole imposed a gag order on participants in the case, limiting further explanation, Head said.




"When asked for a response, incredibly, Police Chief Michael Wilkie of Acworth (pictured) told CNN that because children that young cannot legally consent to sex, "we have to go with the charges we have"--in other words, the rape charges. So let's say that the 11 year-old girl and one of the boys did have consensual sex. Because children cannot legally consent to sex, <b>that means that the girl has been raped and the boy is a rapist? Even though they're both children? Even though the girl is considerably older than the boy?"</b>

Quite possibly the most vile, misinformed, misandrist nonsense that I have had the displeasure to read so far this year! How is it that through consensual sex, an 8- or 9-year old boy can be held any more liable than the 11year-old girl?
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Postby Mary S » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:28 pm

Three things:

First, the girl is NOT considerably older than the boy(s) in this situation. There is a 2-3 year age difference between the parties in this situation.

Second, what would the girl be liable for? From the article is appears she was the victim.

Third, I am assuming that not all the facts are in on this...I wouldn't be overly quick to judge what has happened, this is a report from a news source. It is not fact of law. There can be a big difference in the two.
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Postby Valkenar » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:45 pm

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_new ... yid=106686
"They told me, like, if I didn't go to the woods, they would hurt me and stuff with the rope"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21882354/
Acworth Police Chief Mike Wilkie said one of the boys was accused of threatening to hit the girl with a rock before the alleged assault.

Doesn't sound so consensual. It's possible it was consensual and she lied to avoid admitting it. It's also possible that the boys coerced her and she complied out of fear. Personally, I think the second is more likely. If it were just one boy I can see how maybe they were curious and tried something, but somehow the fact that there were three boys and one girl makes that seem less likely.

I agree that there aren't enough facts yet to inform an opinion. Unless of course one already has an agenda one wants to push and thinks this is case is a perfect vehicle for it. Then it would be easy to leap to the conclusion that supports one's position.
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Devils advocate mode:

Postby AAAhmed46 » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:43 am

Devils advocate mode:



I doubt those kids really raped anyone, and if they did, their ability to understand what it meant would be almost zero and probably indicative of being raped themselves.
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Postby Akil Todd Harvey » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:18 pm

Its no big deal,

if it was consensual, then the boys are at fault

and if it was not consensual, then the boys were at fault




not that we should be concerned with false rape accusations.....




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