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Bill Glasheen wrote:People unwilling to do the bare minimum frankly deserve nothing - at the most.
Every child should be given every opportunity; unfortunately, that opportunity is sometimes taken away by their parents' choices and in some cases is destroyed by their parents' very bad example.
cxt wrote:Cut them off and then if and when they commit a crime--punish them harshly.
The REAL problem is that once people get the idea tha being "on the dole" is on the whole better than they can get by actually working---more and more people will start dropping out...so to speak.
In a very real way this guys choice to do nothing but "collect welfare checks and smoke pot" actually hurts people---his refusal to conribute to the general welfare--of which HE is an active particpent means LESS for someone else.
Its his choice--but "I" should not have to subsidise his lifestyle--its unfair to me.
Bill Glasheen wrote:In the end, it's about dignity.
Where is the dignity in giving somebody "money for nothing" and allowing them to screw their lives up?
For those who don't know... I had a "tough" period of my life where I was trying to free myself from controlling parents and find my own path to happiness. I didn't want to do what others thought was the best thing for me. So I took a break from my academic track.
Do you know the first job I took? With 2 years of college and 3 years of engineering school, I accepted a job as a dishwasher at Howard Johnsons Restaurant on University Avenue in Charlottesville. I did that job for 4 months.
I couldn't make enough money to pay all my bills and eat. But I got nearly free food every time I worked. Hojo pancakes and eggs taste REALLY good when you are hungry. Trust me...
My next job was as a lab tech. In a year, I was promoted to a full-fledged chemist. I bought a brand new 750 cc motorcycle, and started enjoying life.
I cleared my head. I got the ability to get loans for my education because I was financially independent. I went back to school. I got a trainingship grant from NIH for graduate school in a field that my parents thought wasn't a good path to a "career". The rest is history.
Do you know what? One of the happiest times of my life was those 4 months as a dishwasher. I worked my butt off. I would come home at 1 AM, and couldn't fall asleep for 3 hours because I was so jacked up. I cleaned dishes by the ton. I mopped floors. I cleaned the most god-awful things out of the women's restroom.
But you know... the waitresses were all UVa students. And one night, the evening (female) manager asked me over for a glass of wine. She was lonely, and wanted some company...
There's ALWAYS a silver lining - if you look for it - in every situation. The worst thing you can do is create a scenario where a person can never find that path. One thing is for damn sure. They won't find it at home stoned and alone. And they won't find it on the street at night with nothing constructive to do.
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