Bush Administration to Propose System for Monitoring Interne

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Bush Administration to Propose System for Monitoring Interne

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What say you on the issue of Freedom of Speech. Are they going "too far"? How much "Big Brother" will you be comfortable with? Will you give up Freedom and Liberty... the very foundations of this country... for a little perceived security?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le2312.htm
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Actually, come election time, I'm hoping there will be a viable alternative that doesn't want me to give up my privacy, and not only doesn't ask the Congress to abdicate their control over the power to declare war, but would refuse to accept it if they offered.
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/ ... index.html

Here it is... a polite letter to our nation's government that Dubya has decided to have a war of unlimited duration and scope. Contrast with established job descriptions:

Article 1, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States.....

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

****To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water****

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings.........

Article 2, Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, ****when called into the actual service of the United States;**** he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.
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Post by Valkenar »

I disagree with it out of principle. I don't think it's so much a free speech issue as a privacy issue. Either way, the government shouldn't be making a habit of spying on everybody.

I also just don't think there's any reasonable technical solution. The architecture of the internet inherently prevents that sort of thing, unless they go to truly absurd lengths that would make the internet effectively unusable.
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