I think we are heading toward another topic Shu Ha Ri .
The problem arises when practioners at the Shu stage ,think they are at the Ha stage things can go awol .
Max.
Has Uechi been diluted
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Glenn,
>>what about naming the way you fight?
One way to name how Uechi-folk fight (hopefully) would be "pangainoon"/half-hard, half-soft.
(that's a half-harded attempt at humour...i think)
Max- You are exactly correct. I just couldn't remember the term Shu Ha Ri. I was trying to describe Ha. Thank you!
Jeff- Come back! Without us, who would these august seniors have to follow 'em??? They aren't teachers unless they've got students!!!
They'd have no fun at all discussing amoung themselves what all of them already know.
with respect,
DL
>>what about naming the way you fight?
One way to name how Uechi-folk fight (hopefully) would be "pangainoon"/half-hard, half-soft.
(that's a half-harded attempt at humour...i think)
Interesting.... I've been waiting for the day I'd see some stranger pull a Mawashi Uke (not a Block, by gum!) or hit a wall with a shoken just so I could say to them, "Hey! You study Okinawan karate, right? Maybe Uechi Ryu?" Ihow many of us can look at someone fight and say "ohhhh, you study Uechi Ryu"?
Max- You are exactly correct. I just couldn't remember the term Shu Ha Ri. I was trying to describe Ha. Thank you!
Jeff- Come back! Without us, who would these august seniors have to follow 'em??? They aren't teachers unless they've got students!!!
They'd have no fun at all discussing amoung themselves what all of them already know.
with respect,
DL
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maxwell ainley
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You get similar concepts to Shu Ha Ri in crafts etc, a good example was in masonery ,how the craft is past on .
In the U.k . we have church's etc, dotted in most villages ,these were normally built by mason gangs to a common or more complex pattern , when inspecting work ,the trained /experienced eye spots either a consistent Ha type workmanship on the overall pattern ,or elements of Ri in places such as bar tracery work [normal to gothic work ,or finer ashlar carvings .
On some ,you spot were money dried up and a Ha type gang left ,then when money picked up and work re-established ,and the same gang was else were , and a Shu type gang took over , were the Ha or Ri stopped and the shu gang took over is very visable line of departure even
to the untrained eye .
The Ha type craftsman kept the apprentice of face work skills ,developing in areas that build the skills to transfer to face work at a later date .
On the old terrace rows ,you learnt key skills to a high level first on inside walling that was for plastering over ,after years of this ,the foreman seeing neat clean work gave you a trial on the facework.
In the U.k . we have church's etc, dotted in most villages ,these were normally built by mason gangs to a common or more complex pattern , when inspecting work ,the trained /experienced eye spots either a consistent Ha type workmanship on the overall pattern ,or elements of Ri in places such as bar tracery work [normal to gothic work ,or finer ashlar carvings .
On some ,you spot were money dried up and a Ha type gang left ,then when money picked up and work re-established ,and the same gang was else were , and a Shu type gang took over , were the Ha or Ri stopped and the shu gang took over is very visable line of departure even
to the untrained eye .
The Ha type craftsman kept the apprentice of face work skills ,developing in areas that build the skills to transfer to face work at a later date .
On the old terrace rows ,you learnt key skills to a high level first on inside walling that was for plastering over ,after years of this ,the foreman seeing neat clean work gave you a trial on the facework.
max ainley
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Stryke
The craftsman analogy is Great for anyone whop has devoted time to a physical craft .
The beginner does basic repitition and learns attention to detail always coaxed and corrected by a learnt eye
the tradesman can accomplish his task with skill , familiarity and a learnt appreciation of standards always looking to get it right .
the Master craftsman/journeyman makes it look easy , can fix things with one go and improvise where others would be lost , he no longers thinks his craft but feels it .
To be tied to martial arts in this way would be Nirvana ....
to perfect one thing is to perfect everything ....
thank you Max , you inspire which is worth more than all else .....
The beginner does basic repitition and learns attention to detail always coaxed and corrected by a learnt eye
the tradesman can accomplish his task with skill , familiarity and a learnt appreciation of standards always looking to get it right .
the Master craftsman/journeyman makes it look easy , can fix things with one go and improvise where others would be lost , he no longers thinks his craft but feels it .
To be tied to martial arts in this way would be Nirvana ....
to perfect one thing is to perfect everything ....
thank you Max , you inspire which is worth more than all else .....
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maxwell ainley
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Thank's Strike
To inspire is a worthy skill ,that proceeds... doing
On the inner walls ,a very common error was because it was for plaster finish ,which requires a key for adhesion ,to become sloppy and not pay attention to key skill learning ,this starts to ingrain and eventually somehow this bad Shu type ends up on supposedly quality outer work ,and because of those ingrained sloppy habits ,that had ample time on inside work to be cleaned up ,[automaticaly] because he lacks control makes a transfer of sloppy [ what we term rough work to the face work .
To inspire is a worthy skill ,that proceeds... doing
On the inner walls ,a very common error was because it was for plaster finish ,which requires a key for adhesion ,to become sloppy and not pay attention to key skill learning ,this starts to ingrain and eventually somehow this bad Shu type ends up on supposedly quality outer work ,and because of those ingrained sloppy habits ,that had ample time on inside work to be cleaned up ,[automaticaly] because he lacks control makes a transfer of sloppy [ what we term rough work to the face work .
max ainley
Thanks Tokezu
Tokezu your words are sincerely appreciatted and yes only being a green belt recently I am far from a journeyman and yes I am a tradesman and worker at this point being corrected by a skilled and trained Eye.I do work hard and come into class early sometimes an hour or two before most get there to workout because I do love Uechi for the little I know of how to apply it or express it's meaning at this point.I heard someone say though which I liked that even at the highest ranks we are always learning and beginning another journey so I hope to never come to a point in my training when I feel I have reached complete understanding because I know even then I will feel there is always room for growth or another view.
thanks
Jeff
thanks
Jeff
