"Again IMO nothing wrong with the moves, it's all how you train and what and how you decide to train/use/toss. Just like any other art IMO".
That's exactly my point
and why I posted that link............... a lot of the Aiki that I have seen and done is rubbish. Learning to defend against somebody running at you from 30 feet away to either reverse punch you or chop you on the head...won't do you anygood in the city I live in. even the little kids can do better than that
So the next question is..............is Aiki any good? the stuff I've seen ,no........could Ueshiba have done all the wonderfull things we hear about him based on what I've see in Aikido clubs again No.............
Then I see this article
..........and I start to wonder
there are so many conflicting things in Aikido,
Take Takeda the head of Daito-ryu who taught Ueshiba.he was not impressed with Aikido or Aiki-Budo as it was then called, he referred to it as "dancing".........also Aiki is really a modern day version (much simplified) of Daito-ryu
and Takeda said that his art had "No kicks or punches".....so where does Aikido's atemi come from
but then again I've never seen any, anyway
Takeda had a Korean manservant who learned Daito-ryu of him and reportedly went back to Korea when Ueshiba died, he then taught this art mixed with punches and kicks and called it Hapkido.....now I've done some Hapkido and the locks and throws are a lot more effective than aiki locks and throws...same as Chi-na more or less, when somebody gets a lock on you you jump or get a broken limb