Shoken to the foot?

[benzocaine]

This Bankai, in any of it's manifestations, does *NOT* work where there is a 205lb Italian Wrecking Ball barreling down on you.

What about the strike -hand over hand before the crane posture? I'd think if that was done to a person that would stop them long enough to transition into something else..

But in all fairness I've never had a 205 lb Italian wrecking ball coming at me with intent. I could monday morning quarterback all day and still not know what would happen until that moment. I'm starting to think more along the lines of (striking and then) getting out of the BG's way and doing something that involves grabbing their arm or wrist and breaking it though.

Sorry to veer off the shoken to the foot topic folks.

[Guest]

What about the strike -hand over hand before the crane posture? I'd think if that was done to a person that would stop them long enough to transition into something else..

nnnooope. Bushikens hurt a little but they have no power. Most people will break their thumb before a snazola breaks.

But in all fairness I've never had a 205 lb Italian wrecking ball coming at me with intent. I could monday morning quarterback all day and still not know what would happen until that moment. I'm starting to think more along the lines of (striking and then) getting out of the BG's way and doing something that involves grabbing their arm or wrist and breaking it though.

Sorry to veer off the shoken to the foot topic folks.

I've tried it, it doesn't work. Moving out of the way, is the best way to deal with it. I think that the tenshin techniques in Hojo Undo and the most effective, yet underrated techniques Uechi Ryu has to offer.

Someone with a good knowledge of body checks (e.g a hockey player) will knock you on your ass, wether you can withstand the winds of a typhoon with your sanchin or not. Good luck hitting him with bushikens. you'll most likely hurt yourself more then you will the other guy.

Put some gear on and try it. If you can't get enough power in your bushiken to ring the other guys bell, or at least slow him down enough to manage him, then the bankai is ineffective.

[Dana Sheets]

Principle - use pain compliance and movement to turn someone into a body shield.
If you're 5'3 1/2" (stop laughing - that 1/2 inch matters! ) and 125-130lbs you'll quickly realize that sometimes that means you are the one moving and you're just holding them in place for a second while you do that.

Think though - if your hands aren't strong enough to grip flesh then maybe you should grip their jacket. If they're wearing a t-shirt way bigger and your hands are busted up from the previous fighting - perhaps it is time to choose a different tactic. If they are much shorter than you and have long hair you can just hank them around by the hair.

Nothing works every time, all the time.

This also represents the principle of "stacking" multiple bad guys. If you have many opponents it is best to try and get you in front of them rather than surrounded by them. See below:

Not stacked:

them_________them

_______you__________them

them___________them


stacked:

________them_________them
you___________________them
________them________them

So in this way you're trying to line them up (be they 2 or many "them") {Note: the lines are just spacing the text.}

[Guest]

Dana, a simple method of releasing endorphins and inhibit pain receptors is too eat hot peppers (chili peppers work really well, but thai peppers are the best) before training. Try it. Your pain compliance techniques will not work. This way you can simulate an opponent under the chemical dump and be more realistic in your training.

Peppers work great for shin conditioning also by the way.

[Dana Sheets]

Again - nothing always works - I hear you and I'm with you. And that doesn't mean it will never work. There is no way to train those things which will always work (since they don't exist) so were left training things that might work.

For example - you can use the same posture this way:
If someone is coming at you and you are against a wall you can grab onto their ears and fall on your butt. You'll probably break your tailbone but you'll drive their head into the wall. Best used with brick or cement or similar strong walls. This technique was shown to friend of mine (a woman) by a prison guard when she was going to worrk the prison.

I don't use peppers, I use jow. Just bought this version recently. I like it because it still moves the blood but doesn't dry out my skin.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shen-Dit-Da-Jow-Lin ... dZViewItem

He's also got some groovy mantis videos in his store that I covet.

[Guest]

If someone is coming at you and you are against a wall you can grab onto their ears and fall on your butt. You'll probably break your tailbone but you'll drive their head into the wall. Best used with brick or cement or similar strong walls.

HAH! Now you're talking! Thats UECHI RYU right there!

Whats the Jow stuff? Sounds like it taste crappy....

[benzocaine]

Tony,

I wasn't talking about bushikens. I meant to covey the nukite hand over hand spear to the face. That should stop a person in their tracks.

[Guest]

Tony,

I wasn't talking about bushikens. I meant to covey the nukite hand over hand spear to the face. That should stop a person in their tracks.

I dunno.. try it.

The reason why bushikens and nukites won't work is because they have too much "play" in them. For your bodies power to transmit through them in a linear fashion, they cannot have any give. If your finger bends just a little, power will leak out there and cut your effort down by 50% or more. A "whipping" technique seem to me to be a more effective application for a nukite or even a bushiken, because then the natural "slop" in the technique could be employed as a conduit of your intent.

[MikeK]

Tony,

I wasn't talking about bushikens. I meant to covey the nukite hand over hand spear to the face. That should stop a person in their tracks.

Ben, do you mean the move in Kanshu? I have used a variation of it several times to the notch at the bottom of the throat but I've never heard it used to the face.

[benzocaine]

Mike in Seisan there is a movement that looks like a cranes beak going out and then a crane stance. You can watch Tony doing it on the video page. It is right after the three bushikens which is right after the three sanchin strikes.

http://www.uechi-ryu.com/videos/u_kata.html

[Guest]

Oh that??? I dunno man... I'd rather just sock somebody in the jaw.

[MikeK]

Thanks Ben, I'll have to look at it when I get home, but if it's the one I'm thinking of it also works to the notch in the neck and as a clavical grab. Where on the face do you hit with it?

[benzocaine]

Where on the face do you hit with it?

Depends. My target is just under the nose. The throat could work or an eye socket. I like the nose because even if I miss, an eye might get speared.

I think you mat be thinking of double hirakens Mike. I think the hiraken works for the throat, but was custom made for the eye sockets.

Now doing the above techniques with a 205 lb coming at you to do damage.. well.. that's the challange.

[Guest]

Aren't you guys in VA?

Put some lipstick on your figer tips, along with some safety glasses or a neck brace or both and see if you can make that bankai work. I'll bet if you really press it (the attack that is), you'll probably be dissapointed in it. The attacker should put on boxing gloves and try to nail the defenders grape.

Good luck!

I may be doing some work up there for a few days, I might be able to train with you all one night.

[benzocaine]

Tony,

Mike and I are 180 miles away from each other. If you come to the Roanoke area gimee a yell. It'd be fun to train some. We could also hit one of the Japanese steak houses if you like and have some saporo