Thanks for the info. Seffner and Brandon are a little far, but I'll check them out if all else fails. I have been to see Ric Martin, might be more than I can afford, sad to say. Anybody have a phone number or current email for Frank Gorman? I did get one, but want to be sure I've got an updated one. I'm new to the forum, will try to get hold of Uechi Dude.