Dr. Kano the founder of traditional Judo a HERETIC?
Dr. Kano the founder of traditional Judo a HERETIC?
Dr. Kano the founder of traditional Judo a HERETIC?
“The OVERLOOK MARTIAL ARTS READER” Vol 2 Edited by John Donohue
Page 64 taken from “Modern Bujutsu and Budo” by Donn F. Draeger:
“In many ways Kano stands as a heretic vis-à-vis the classical bujutsu and budo traditions. For example, in devising Kodokan Judo training methods he defied the classical concept of yugen insofar as this term implies 'mysterious skills.’ To some degree this is a direct refutation of yomeigakyu philosophy, which form the very backbone of all classical learning methods. Kano did not agree that it was necessary to acquire technical and spiritual maturity both through experience and through penetration of the hidden depths of the okuden, or secret teaching; for if this were admitted, Kano’s own study, particularly that made in a purely academic way, would mark him as being deficient in many respects in his knowledge of classical bujutsu. Kano also placed less reliance on kan, or intuition, in learning, replacing it with rational thought and analysis based on a ‘method instruction in conformity with modern science.’”
Seems we have been around forever.
“The OVERLOOK MARTIAL ARTS READER” Vol 2 Edited by John Donohue
Page 64 taken from “Modern Bujutsu and Budo” by Donn F. Draeger:
“In many ways Kano stands as a heretic vis-à-vis the classical bujutsu and budo traditions. For example, in devising Kodokan Judo training methods he defied the classical concept of yugen insofar as this term implies 'mysterious skills.’ To some degree this is a direct refutation of yomeigakyu philosophy, which form the very backbone of all classical learning methods. Kano did not agree that it was necessary to acquire technical and spiritual maturity both through experience and through penetration of the hidden depths of the okuden, or secret teaching; for if this were admitted, Kano’s own study, particularly that made in a purely academic way, would mark him as being deficient in many respects in his knowledge of classical bujutsu. Kano also placed less reliance on kan, or intuition, in learning, replacing it with rational thought and analysis based on a ‘method instruction in conformity with modern science.’”
Seems we have been around forever.
I would of loved to see Judo when it still incorporated striking and had more emphasis on the ground .
I see it as a very complete unarmed art , it`s influenced my thinking a lot .
I`m currently playing a lot with sacrafice throws , Ive only come across them through judo .
Ive had the pleasure of being spun around like a top by Judoka , never mind the throws .... The first time I was ever pinned was by a judoka , talk about feeling helpless ....
I see it as a very complete unarmed art , it`s influenced my thinking a lot .
I`m currently playing a lot with sacrafice throws , Ive only come across them through judo .
Ive had the pleasure of being spun around like a top by Judoka , never mind the throws .... The first time I was ever pinned was by a judoka , talk about feeling helpless ....
I dont know if this is true, but...............
I hear the guy who brought ''jujutsu'' to brazil was kicked out of kodokan because he would go out and pick fights.
Since he was kicked out, apprently he could no longer call his fighting style judo so i guess he told them it was jujutsu!
Can anyone second this?
I hear the guy who brought ''jujutsu'' to brazil was kicked out of kodokan because he would go out and pick fights.
Since he was kicked out, apprently he could no longer call his fighting style judo so i guess he told them it was jujutsu!
Can anyone second this?
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Judo instructors were sent around the world to spread Judo as Kano Sensei felt it had all around physical and mental benefits.
These Judo instructors in some cases set up trade businesses and in the case of one in England became prize fighters.
I believe the one in Brazil who trained Gracie set up a trade business of some sort.
I would say the difference you see in Judo and BJJ (I've trained both, nikyu in Judo) is Judo is 50/50 standing throws and groundfighting. BJJ focuses more on the ground and has several takedowns which wouldn't score points in judo because the knees are not both allowed to touch and so forth. One of the Judo schools I train at has BJJ and Sambo guest instructors all the time.
Kano was well ahead of his time not only in Judo but in his Olympic support and education reforms. There aren't really many folks you could compare him to. He was one of a kind.
F.
These Judo instructors in some cases set up trade businesses and in the case of one in England became prize fighters.
I believe the one in Brazil who trained Gracie set up a trade business of some sort.
I would say the difference you see in Judo and BJJ (I've trained both, nikyu in Judo) is Judo is 50/50 standing throws and groundfighting. BJJ focuses more on the ground and has several takedowns which wouldn't score points in judo because the knees are not both allowed to touch and so forth. One of the Judo schools I train at has BJJ and Sambo guest instructors all the time.
Kano was well ahead of his time not only in Judo but in his Olympic support and education reforms. There aren't really many folks you could compare him to. He was one of a kind.
F.
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I'm starting training this coming Saturday in B.J.J. The instructors are two guys from Brazil who supposedly trained with the Gracies. I'll post more info when I know more.jorvik wrote:Gracie Jiu jitsu is an old style of Judo, before it had too many rules...you can find that on google
Couldn't believe the price... $50 a month! I was like "huh"? "I'm there"!
Time to get out my Judo Gi (and white belt)!!!
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I failed to mention that for a while many people called it "Kano-ryu Jujitsu" so Gracies use of the term may come from that.
Have fun Tony. $50 would buy me about 10 months of Judo lessons by the way. Lower costs because they only give out belts every 2-5 years.
My medical bills even out the price.
F.
Have fun Tony. $50 would buy me about 10 months of Judo lessons by the way. Lower costs because they only give out belts every 2-5 years.
My medical bills even out the price.
F.
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Youll love it Tony , i`m jealous , Ive been doign BJJ here once a week and it`s awesome funI'm starting training this coming Saturday in B.J.J. The instructors are two guys from Brazil who supposedly trained with the Gracies. I'll post more info when I know more.
Man add this to your already awesome skills , youll be unstoppable !!!