martin watts wrote:Jim, second link does not work. First one, I think that exercise is not only in WC. Have done similar in Mantis.
Wouldn't surprise me if there was something similar in many of our sister styles. The sticking legs gets nearly as involved as the chi sao with the hands.
martin watts wrote:I have never seen anyone do leg drill work which they have not worked out for themselves. I sort of went down this route at one time, was not convinced that it worked so well ( or at least I never could get it to ) so never continued.
Well I would very much like to get the advanced leg stuff but there are obstacles in my way..
martin watts wrote:The hand drill work is very clear. Whatever the many reasons for practicing it, in the end when you cross hands with someone else then you know it pays off.
That is the truth and in modern combative terms it provides a platform where one may study how to deal with continued resistance after the clash, beginning a study at the clash rather than ending it there - as in the fallacy of the cooperative 1, 2, 3, etc, technique "kill" that many train.
martin watts wrote:We also have a 70 30 weight split, but the tension between the legs ramp this balance to more 45 55 in terms of vectors of force. When I say the feeling leading foot, I am referring to some WC I have seen where the 70 30 has little tension between them so I perceive the front leg to be weak and a soft target for a happy go luck Muy Tai type man.
Well this stuff is somewhat academic to me. I appreciate the percentages for training. We can tell students what the percentage is supposed to be but I have rarely seen anyone do it quite like that in sparring or fighting.
The chum kiu stance is the one that has the aligned lead leg. In Moy~Yat WCK the weight is supposed to be ALL on the rear, the only weight on the lead leg is the weight of the leg itself. This is direct from Ip > MY.
However this stance like any other is not frozen, it really represents a mechanism and a mechanic for a certain kind of movement, structure and power. The lead weight distribution will change as does the stance as one needs to reposition, turn, change and adjust.
The basic footwork pattern can be seen by moving from the Siu Lim Tao stance called Yee Jee Kim Young Ma, <this is the stance you did in the clips many times, exactly as we do btw.> As you move from stance 1 to stance 2 and or back again you see a movement similar to the circle stepping in sanchin and sanjan except our lead leg is going to fire into the opponent to break his structure. Again the idea is to move inside the opponent's space and filling it with our body. One of my teachers was so good at this that when he stepped into your space attacking you above <where most of your attention was> it seemed as if the floor had disappeared and there was no place to put your foot down when moving, just before you fell.
The exception is when the opponent kicks, then the idea is to clash and/or attack with a centerline kick
martin watts wrote:Do you mean taking the back leg? Video clip explanation required. If you haven’t already got one, think of me as a good reason to start doing these things!
I'll do what I can in the way of clips. I am not in formal training right now.
The rear leg target is nice but not often seen from outside. The 'target' is the center. So what's seen more often is firing the kick into their kicking leg..if you connect, bang you challenge their balance right off and step into their space... So, if they are on the line and clash you stick and step in. If they are not on the line then the target is whatever you hit, this is often the groin area, if they turn it may be their bum,
but again you are really trying to step in and take up space. It's from here <second action> that you may indeed be able to get the rear leg, we say, each step may be a kick.
In other cases simply stepping in and placing the leg down under and inside their stance will make it impossible for them to replant their kicking leg where they need to regain balance, and there goes their whole base. WCK under these conditions does not want to do a take down as many might think, on the contrary as in the wooden dummy you want to get a good hold on them if they loose their base so you can hold them up as they dangle and do a meat grinder on them..and then drop them.
martin watts wrote:We have another thing which is a soft knee trap from the inside and outside. But this is from a body of work I have not studied or practiced.
Sounds similar to something called kwai sat where you step in slightly behind them and drop the knee into the side of their knee and it just makes them drop down onto their collapsed knee.
martin watts wrote:It is a shame to leave the footwork late.
Well it's not really footwork that is left late. All kinds of footwork or movement involving the study of facing, following, turning, sticking and entering is trained with and through the moving chi sao. It's more the advanced leg defense, leg sticking stuff that is later. I never minded this too much as I had done karate and was comfortable using the standard shin defense; I was always more concerned with hand work, which is still my focus.