Bruise* Lee wrote: Its an ironic twist , see?
The irony was that you failed to comprehend the flaws in the paragraphs you had supplied.
The first of which you posted;
-contained the following errors pertaining to your argument:
1. As far as I can tell, the study was conducted in mice and rats. Not humans.
2. The article was published in 2000. It is now almost 2006.
The lack of update may indicate that the study is not currently being pursued, or no new breakthroughs have been forthcoming. The information from what I could see, was indeed inconclusive, and lacking many important details.
3. The language written in the document is not for the layperson, therefore nullifying its direct use as a viable reference.
Generally speaking, If you can't make your point so that even the causal observer can understand them, you will have massive difficulty in communicating your ideas.
4. As well, the paragraph contained no supportive data of the conclusions and how they were arrived at.
No details on whom, what, when, where, why..Etc is provided.
If your intention was to point out empirical evidence showing that minerals and nutrients detoxify the body and rather not as a result of organ function, then I fail to see at this time where you have succeeded, unless you are by inference, suggesting that the mere existence of the article is proof enough.
On the second and 3rd article I will say this:
I think you missed the point of my argument.
Yes, vegetables and other plants good for you.
That’s why you should eat tons of them!
That point was never in dispute.
What I dispute is in: Which form these is taken to be effective most, how much is effective, for how long, etc.
The mind of reason would say:
Slamming wheat grass a couple times a week isn't like taking a "Magic Bullet" or some “Super banzai health shot”.
It's not going to magically cure you, or make you live forever, or do any of the miracle benefits \ other than do the same (Or not as effective) job as eating a normal, healthy diet which contains the suggested allowance FDA requirements. (Which are purposely set a bit high by the way.)
You mentioned that you eat energy bars.
I would argue that these are not the best for you. (Details if pressed)
Perhaps you might say: "Well, I'm too busy to cook or eat as I should."
This is an excuse many Americans make these days.
While true, most of us work longer than our parents did (I work 12 14 hour days myself.)
However, I would argue that if you are concerned about overall lifelong health where diet plays a role, then one should make time, watch what they eat, and try to eat a well balanced diet. Too many Americans these days are taken in by companies offering quick meals, pills, capsules, powders, shakes, etc..
Does eating a pill or chomping a candy bar (Excuse me: Power bar) sound better for example over eating a nice piece of fish or other lean meat with a salad or other veggie of choice? Which sounds more reasonable? Don’t have time? You need to make time. It’s important, and if you chose not to, trust me on this: It will catch up with you.
If you eat a well balance diet every day, you will never need a supplement. (Unless you have a specific and legitimate Medical Ailment which necessitates the need for them.
The vast majority of Americans do not need supplements, though the health food industry claims we all do. Of course they will say that! They want to make money!
With my own busy schedule, do you know what my fast food is?
Bruise* Lee wrote:2) I am about as diligent a person as it gets when it comes to a good diet.... and I don't usually eat 9 servings a day of vegetables. Yesterday I did - I ate 6 bowels of vegetable soup just prior to doing a few surgeries.
Meta: 6 "bowels", you say? of.....vegitable soup, you say?
I....I...am certain that was a typo.
But was it homemade? or canned?
(If canned, I advise looking at the sodium content.)
BTW: Are you implying that you are a surgeon?
May I ask, what is your profession?
You appear to be highly versed in the terminology.
Bruise* Lee wrote:Today I was rushed and ate a protein bar prior to removing a melanoma. These food concentrates such as wheat grass can supplement the American diet.
Meta: Specifically, why a protein bar and not a piece of fruit, or a cup of veggies microwaved? Takes 30 seconds, and perhaps less to eat.
I think when Americans say: “I don’t have time to eat, what they really mean is, “I’m too lazy to make/prepare my food.”
But on the issue of supplementation, why should anyone need to "supplement" their diet?
If you eat properly, you'll get all the nutriment you could ever require.
Bruise* Lee wrote:Yeah 9 servings a day would be great (other than the gas most people would have with that much fiber), but I don't know anyone who does that.
Meta: You now know someone who follows that. Me! I eat well over 9 servings of veggies a day, and I am not a vegetarian, and, I don’t spend a lot of time for food prep either. Perhaps 20 minutes a day. I also eat a Japanese diet, one which is arguably one of the healthiest there is. I imagine for Westerners, some it would be unacceptable by taste.
I could tell you about it sometime if you wish.
(BTW) BY demographics, Japanese people are the longest lived ethnic group on the planet. Hmmm.
Could be the Karate too. heehaw.
Bruise* Lee wrote:I guess you are allowed to call peer reviewed studies a religion -
Meta: I should clarify.
The "health food", "alternative medicine" and fitness industry as a whole operate much like a religion. I will respect your intelligence and not go to the length of pointing out why.
(But I will if you like.)
That is what I was referring to.
Bruise* Lee wrote:It seems few other than you and Barrett know what truth is when it comes to health.
Meta: I am wondering why you keep mentioning Stephen Barrett. Are you still stuck on what you read from a few criminals' websites? I have no personal connection with him.
I can dispense what he says (If it doesn't make sense or hold to reason or is unverifiable) just as quickly as I can dispense with Vitamin Hawkers like Dr. Jiro Endo.
Besides, OF COURSE he is going to say his product, which he sells, is the best there is, and evidence, this, and study that. If his product was truly the miricle of health that is claimed, he could make infinately more money selling it to an American Drug company than mongering it on a crappy static website. (Why is it that most "Miricle cure" product companies have really cheap-ass websites?)
Bruise* Lee wrote:Your obvious disagreements with medical researchers at MD Anderson , Johns Hopkins and other places proves that point.
Meta: I am afraid that is Incorrect again sir!
I never stated that I disagreed with those entities.
And I am CERTAIN that the researchers at MD Anderson , Johns Hopkins and other places would not constitute one article as rock hard irrefutable representation of their fine intuition. If indeed they themselves even dared consider themselves to be irrefutable., (or infallible for that matter.)
You make them sound simply quite papal, sir.
~Anyone besides me smell a bit of Ivory?
(Now THAT's an example of good irony!)
Bruise* Lee wrote:
*** If I remember right you proposed that marijuana had a host of medical benefits? Although you showed no real links to research to back this quack notion - perhaps you only think plants have health benefits if smoked - maybe we should smoke our wheat grass
If I've failed to provide a link on a subject which I make commentary one should do the simple research themselves.
One should not take issue for what I didn't provide, when I wasn't asked to. As far as I can tell, there was never any implied agreement that such a responsibility existed.
Your statement is invalid, and a bit insulting, and as an extra bit of illogic sir, you had the audacity to finish with a *wink*, as if you had proven some profound point.
Careful, or people will begin to mistake you for me!
There's only room from one know-it-all, obnoxious lout.
But I must commend your excellence in reasoning! Bravo in your contempt for rationality, sir!(Clap Clap Clap)
Oh wait..Better finish with a
..In any event,
Concerning uses for medical marijuana, previous uses are well documented, but since there are better drugs available these days, the DEA will gleefully forget the former, and use the latter to further aid its propaganda campaign. ~And it is propaganda.
You may have read the DEA's website on that matter.
It is the information contained at the site, and those like it which are both comedy and a tragedy, mainly because they show where the American Government, is failing in its maturity and responsibility to provide proper information to the American public,
Good AND Bad. For shame.
Here may be a better link, though by no means definitive, it at least makes an attempt to provide pros and cons:
To reiterate my position:
Eat your veggies.