Meta: To you and many, yes, it is. But then if you say that it is open to interpretation then it is not the word of God, isn't it? In fact, it isn't the word of God at all, clearly, but the written word of men. A good story, with some good social values, but not quite the reason to burn in Hell or float to heaven.
Bill Glasheen wrote:All churches have leaders who interpret and re-interpret their doctrine and dogma with respect to the times.
Meta: How convenient! Sort of like an ever-morphing tale!
So if the Bible can "change" with the times, then it would seem that it is not quite immutable, and therefore fallible.
Bill Glasheen wrote: I don't know where you were raised, Meta.
Meta: In a barn, naturally.
Bill Glasheen wrote:But I was taught repeatedly that it was THE ACT and not THE PERSON that was an abomination.
Meta: Someone needs to tell that to a few fundie groups!
BTW: I was once a Baptist Bible Thumper when I was a boy, so I am not just talking out of my pie hole when I speak on the subject.
Bill Glasheen wrote: "....and a woman should obey her man. (Or then again... Oh never mind.)"
Meta: heheh. Spoken like a true married man!
You know the deal!
...As if that would ever work anyway..Bill Glasheen wrote:And I MOST DEFINITELY do NOT have a problem with any private school punishing children for having sex. Rules are rules. If you want to change the law and the rules, then work on it. But right now children aren't supposed to be having sex. There are very good reasons for that, Meta.
Meta: I never disagreed with you on this point.
I simply said that it "happens" regardless.Bill Glasheen wrote:1) Someone might get pregnant. Fair is fair... If girls can have sex with girls, then boys should be able to have sex with them. We can't discriminate, you know... And we already have enough problems in this country with children having children. It's one sure way to keep women in a cycle of poverty, and young men at risk for going to prison.
Meta: Agreed.Bill Glasheen wrote:2) Someone might get an STD. These days, HIV, HPV and herpes are permanent. Two out of the three of those can kill you. And they are epidemic. This is a serious matter, Meta, whether or not you want to make light of it. And it doesn't discriminate on the basis of gender or sexual orientation.
Meta: That would be strictly true if the person were:
A. In the high risk group
B. Did not use proper protection
C. Had multiple partners
Although as I understand it, sexual activity among teens appears to be in decline. So something appears to be working.Bill Glasheen wrote:It's well known that boys especially don't fully develop in the judgment centers until their mid twenties. At least women mature earlier in that regard. But the least we can do is to encourage children to wait.
Meta: Agreed.Bill Glasheen wrote:No, Meta, we can't stop people from doing what isn't right. But that doesn't mean you give up. You wouldn't give up on your own daughter, would you? And you wouldn't expect children to follow rules if there weren't consequences for breaking them, would you?
Meta: Right. and she is well aware of the consequences.
But as we have discussed, we as parents can only provide the support and education (and a little intimidation and nagging never hurts) but in the end, we have to hope that it sinks in.Bill Glasheen wrote:This has nothing to do with religion. This is a matter of common sense and public health.
Meta: I disagree, I think the issue at hand deals with discrimination and intolerance.
Meta: No, you try to love everyone because you are a good, decent human being Bill, not because the Bible told you.Bill Glasheen wrote:If I'm not mistaken, YOU are PREACHING to me, Meta. How ironic!
Meta: If I am guilty of expounding basic human truths regardless of the faith, then I suppose I am guilty as charged! You see, I don't need a book or Church to tell me what I know inherently is right.Bill Glasheen wrote:
It's my right as a human to love or hate whomever I want. It is Judeo-Christian teaching that teaches us to love people regardless. And I'm going to do what I do because of what I believe based upon the net of my upbringing.
Meta: I like to think that children are born with only love in their hearts. (and the need to poop) and that hate is a learned trait.Bill Glasheen wrote:I'm really surprised you would make light of one of the most positive aspects of Judeo-Christian teaching. It's frankly the only thing remaining from my years in various churches. And that's not a bad outcome.
Meta: Compassion for your fellow man isn't a axiom by which Christianity can expressly claim as it's own. It is a universal human trait. What I find profoundly Ironic is that many of my fellow human beings are want to kill one another simply because this truth is extolled in a different wrapper.