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Part of the lacking in my arguments lies with what I feel is too broad a generalization.
Perhaps we can have a dialogue on a specific treatment in order to narrow the scope?
By posting the anonymous missive, aren't you lumping "all" of Chiropractic into the "quack" bin, so to speak. It has shown to be effective in certain cases, as I'm sure people reading this board can attest to by purely subjective evidence. Perhaps your vitriol could be more directed at particular aspects of Chiropractic???
save the placebo effect and perhaps some minor muscle relaxation
wes tasker wrote:
Although I'm interested as to why you view "Chinese Herbs" and "Tui Na" as dubious practices? And what would make them cease to be such? Are you familiar with these practices beyond a google search?
wes tasker wrote:My opinion, regarding Tui Na and solely the Chinese Herbs used within Tui Na, is that it works for what the stated effects are. Which, in my case, is helping with musculo-skeletal injuries. I am a practitioner/student of both Tui Na and Western Massage Therapy. I practice both as they relate solely to musculo-skeletal injuries and/or muscular tension etc. etc.
wes tasker wrote:I find it interesting that you say you have studied a myriad of these "practices" and yet found them lacking and then labeled yourself a "Metaphysics-Heretic". How deeply did you study these things?
wes tasker wrote:And how important is it that you label yourself a heretic?
wes tasker wrote: There seems to be a trend with people on these, and similar boards, who really liked labeling themselves "heretics" and rallying every chance they got against the perceived evils that assailed them...
wes tasker wrote: I just find it interesting how people feel it is important to label themselves thusly.
wes tasker wrote:It's an interesting impasse. The very thing you require to believe these things is the very thing I'm the least interested in. To narrow the field to just Tui Na. I've seen it work, I've felt it work, and it makes sense to me.
wes tasker wrote:The Tui Na system I study and practice basically uses massage techniques, joint mobilizations, internal and external herbs (in the form of pills, liniments, poultices, and plasters), and auxiliary tools like cupping and moxa to address various injuries in various stages. The massage part is used to re-align joints.
wes tasker wrote:The herbs tend to be a combination of vaso-dilators,
wes tasker wrote: Some ingredients tend to affect the Tendons, some tighten sinews.
wes tasker wrote:There are various liniments, soaks, and plasters for differing injuries at differing stages - along with specific massage (Tui Na) protocols.
wes tasker wrote:The Tui Na itself helps to relax the muscles / sinews and speed up the healing process in conjunction with the herbs.
wes tasker wrote:I mentioned how the herbs work, at least to their base ingredients.
wes tasker wrote: The massage techniques tend to cause a relaxation response in the muscles through various combinations of rhythm, speed, and pressure.
was tasker wrote: And realignment of the joints just brings them back to their normal working structure.
wes tasker wrote:I'm not really sure what more you are looking for.
wes tasker wrote:It's interesting to translate this stuff into a Western paradigm as far as "how" it works.
wes tasker wrote: I never really gave it much thought as it works fine for me in the paradigm it was presented to me.
Meta: Isn't this akin to saying: "I don't know why the sun rises every morning, but it just does, so therefore it's irrelevant on why it rises, just that it is so?
Isn’t it rather irresponsible as a person providing a service, and a healing service at that, to not understand fully the technical aspects and implications of the service provided?
Isn't this an article of faith?
Meta: I am curious to learn which herb you are using to perform the function of a Vasodilator, and why?
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