Plyometrics

[Bill Glasheen]

Rick has a unique way of doing his shoken thrust (vs. grab). And that technique works for him. I applaud his methods, and his desire to put theory to practice.

Most eye techniques in my book, Marcus, are distractions and interruptions. It's like kicking someone in the back of the knee or hitting the crotch of their elbow. If you really are in a fight to the finish, something needs to follow. It's a means to an end, and not necessarily the end.

The "eye popping" technique isn't about destroying the eyeball. But that's a separate thread, and I'm not terribly wild about advertising online how to do that. It's just plain nasty. The military will show you how, and train you psychologically how to pull it off.

- Bill

[Stryke]

Most eye techniques in my book, Marcus, are distractions and interruptions. It's like kicking someone in the back of the knee or hitting the crotch of their elbow. If you really are in a fight to the finish, something needs to follow. It's a means to an end, and not necessarily the end.

The "eye popping" technique isn't about destroying the eyeball. But that's a separate thread, and I'm not terribly wild about advertising online how to do that. It's just plain nasty. The military will show you how, and train you psychologically how to pull it off.

you argue best when you argue my point Bill


so what your saying is it`s hard to end a fight with an eye gouge ... my original point despite the conatations of not being gouged properly with x technique o doom .....

Is an extra , we are on the same page !!! , I think it`s easier than schucking a South pacific oyster .... but probably takes longer ...

My demonstration methods may not be the norm , but the point remains .

[thumper_wabbit_dammit]

I don't really see the makiwara as being classic plyometric training. Its value is more in helping someone feel what it is like to continue imparting energy once the air technique hits the target. This is something that kata cannot teach.

Marcus is right in that you can "push" the makiwara and deceive yourself into thinking you're doing something useful. But this is true of the heavy bag, hitting paper, hitting focus mits, and other forms of "target" training. As they say, only perfect practice makes perfect.

I think of makiwara in the same way that I think of ukemi. Other than teaching you what it feels like actually to hit something, it helps condition your muscles, tendons, and bones for the shock of impact. It's similar to getting beyond the weights in football and actually putting the pads on and hitting things (the blocking sled) and people. The best way to learn contact is to do contact.

- Bill

Old brain cells, do your thing ... drool ...
Ok, jumps from greater heights coming to a halt.

Jumps from lower height, "kicking" the ground to rebound ... sounds very makiwara-ish to me, but is it plyometric.

You never answered my isometric question.

[Bill Glasheen]

Thumper

Based upon my understanding, I don't agree that what you are describing (dropping from a high level and coming to a halt) is plyometrics. At least I don't see the same physiologic processes happening, which is enhancing the dynamic stretch reflex to any useful degree.

As I learned the principle from a definition by Dr. Dan Kulund, you're supposed to rebound off the stretched muscle position as fluidly and rapidly as possible. You're basically supposed to synchronize voluntary and involuntary muscular contraction. Coming to a halt doesn't do that.

But let me read up on Chu a bit, and I'll get back with you.

- Bill

[thumper_wabbit_dammit]

It certainly wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood something. Any clarification would be appreciated.

My understanding is from greater height you have greater momentum that has to be absorbed eccentrically; while at MUCH lower height you meet impact while contracting. A simple example of the second is to hop a couple inches off the floor and kick down to meet the floor.

I did a search of one of my favorite sites,
http://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html ,
and checked out the plyometric section,
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/PowerExercises.html ,
and couldn't find anything that matched my description.
What can I say, in all likelyhood I'm wrong.