How did Uechi-ryu get Sanseiryu? Was this a kata that was made up or learned from another instructor....?
I know Sanseiryu [Goju-ryu]... why are the two kata with the same name & meaning so different...?
Any information would be greatly appreciated...
Truly, Alex G.
Sanseiryu???
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Hi:
I have heard that many systems have or had sets of forms roughly based on sequnces or multiples of three.
Thus Sanchin is three (ich, ni san) as well having other deeper meanings.
As you know Kanbun studied Sanchin first, as we all do.
If II was to theorize, it might be said that Sanchin also consists of three foundational goals:
That of the stance and foundation creation
That of the hand movements (establishing striking points related to the Kyusho points)
That of the stepping system ( protection, flow over the ground and quick re-establishment or, maintenance of base foundation.)
This is purely my own interpretation and may have no relation to other concepts or reality.
The second form Taught, Seisan, ideally might have twelve base movements and Sanseirui thirty six.
The numerological interpretion of the three main Kata is, I beleive, discussed on Sensei GEM's taped interview with Simon Laley (sp) wherein it was theorized that the next form (the 'lost" form") was Fuzhou Suparempe, or something similar to it. Of course that form would have evolved considerably since the time of Kanbun O Sensei's time in China.
If my recollection is correct it was stated therein that Sanseirui literally means "36".
It was noted that many systems had 3, 12 , 36 and 108 movement forms and or a Sanchin, a Seisan, a Sanseiryu and a Suparempre.
I realize the multiplication is not consistent, nor is it consistent with our "counting" of the number of "positions of attack and defense" in the Kata Seisan.
Kanbun was taught the three basic forms by Master Shushiwa (a transliteration of Tzou Tse Wa??? as Confucius is a tranliteration of a chinese name and Cathay a transliteration of 'Kitai' another name for China in a Chinese dialect?)
Did Kanbun leave or Master Shushiwa die before Kanbun O Sensei could be taught the last form??? (or both). Was the last form a work in progress? Did Master Shushiwa decide not to teach Kanbun o Sensei the last form?
Minds of greater knowledge than mine should address this.
Food for thought.
Maybe my ramblings will draw a more precise answer.
JT
I have heard that many systems have or had sets of forms roughly based on sequnces or multiples of three.
Thus Sanchin is three (ich, ni san) as well having other deeper meanings.
As you know Kanbun studied Sanchin first, as we all do.
If II was to theorize, it might be said that Sanchin also consists of three foundational goals:
That of the stance and foundation creation
That of the hand movements (establishing striking points related to the Kyusho points)
That of the stepping system ( protection, flow over the ground and quick re-establishment or, maintenance of base foundation.)
This is purely my own interpretation and may have no relation to other concepts or reality.
The second form Taught, Seisan, ideally might have twelve base movements and Sanseirui thirty six.
The numerological interpretion of the three main Kata is, I beleive, discussed on Sensei GEM's taped interview with Simon Laley (sp) wherein it was theorized that the next form (the 'lost" form") was Fuzhou Suparempe, or something similar to it. Of course that form would have evolved considerably since the time of Kanbun O Sensei's time in China.
If my recollection is correct it was stated therein that Sanseirui literally means "36".
It was noted that many systems had 3, 12 , 36 and 108 movement forms and or a Sanchin, a Seisan, a Sanseiryu and a Suparempre.
I realize the multiplication is not consistent, nor is it consistent with our "counting" of the number of "positions of attack and defense" in the Kata Seisan.
Kanbun was taught the three basic forms by Master Shushiwa (a transliteration of Tzou Tse Wa??? as Confucius is a tranliteration of a chinese name and Cathay a transliteration of 'Kitai' another name for China in a Chinese dialect?)
Did Kanbun leave or Master Shushiwa die before Kanbun O Sensei could be taught the last form??? (or both). Was the last form a work in progress? Did Master Shushiwa decide not to teach Kanbun o Sensei the last form?
Minds of greater knowledge than mine should address this.
Food for thought.
Maybe my ramblings will draw a more precise answer.
JT
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John,
First off I don't have a greater mind than you my friend!
I have read that Superimpe is taught after 20 years of training.
Kanbun only trained for 10 or so with Shushiwa.
Now he either could have known it but not taught it because no one else trained long enough or never learned it because of that fact.
It's also possible Shushiwa hadn't learned it from his teacher because he didn't have time in.
The unknown next link in the Uechi family tree I'll call Sensei X.
F.
First off I don't have a greater mind than you my friend!
I have read that Superimpe is taught after 20 years of training.
Kanbun only trained for 10 or so with Shushiwa.
Now he either could have known it but not taught it because no one else trained long enough or never learned it because of that fact.
It's also possible Shushiwa hadn't learned it from his teacher because he didn't have time in.
The unknown next link in the Uechi family tree I'll call Sensei X.
F.
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