Why your style *****.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:52 am

he knows how to take a good headshot though

eastcoast_bsc · Post by **eastcoast_bsc** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:55 am

eastcoast_bsc wrote:Hey aaamed, Is hard sparring prevalent in Uechi ryu? I know the Kyokushin guys are said to spar and train very hard. Also Muay Thai and MMA folks. What are your opinions on the strengths and weaknesses of FMA? I like the questions though, good stuff.

Ha ha, yes I would probally run also. What about the rest of my question? can you offer any insight?

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:27 am

From what ive seen on bullshido, FMA suffer from the same problems as other styles, commercialization sometimes screws the art over.

But seems like one of the best weapon defence styles around, as well as one of the best knife, stick styles around.

NEB · Post by **NEB** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:58 pm

Boxers are jealous of MMA fighters?

That's a pretty interesting statement in itself. Looking at the AVERAGE striking ability in the various MMA leagues, a good professional boxer wouldn't have anything to be jealous of.

Send any MMA fighter (even near his weight class) into the ring with Ricky Hatton and see how soon he gets KTFO.

Vice versa, without the grappling skills (which are what most MMA fighters excel at) how would a solid boxer perform in the "Octagon". If he got taken down it could be quick, but if not........

Add the grappliing skills to a solid boxer and the results would be better, (IMHO), than the current crop of MMA guys.

A lot better.

Jake Steinmann · Post by **Jake Steinmann** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:56 pm

NEB wrote:Boxers are jealous of MMA fighters?

That's a pretty interesting statement in itself. Looking at the AVERAGE striking ability in the various MMA leagues, a good professional boxer wouldn't have anything to be jealous of.

Send any MMA fighter (even near his weight class) into the ring with Ricky Hatton and see how soon he gets KTFO.

Vice versa, without the grappling skills (which are what most MMA fighters excel at) how would a solid boxer perform in the "Octagon". If he got taken down it could be quick, but if not........

Add the grappliing skills to a solid boxer and the results would be better, (IMHO), than the current crop of MMA guys.

A lot better.

Forget skill level; the average pro boxer makes easily ten times what the average UFC fighter makes.

Nothing to be jealous about at all...

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Sun May 21, 2006 1:20 am

oh god, cant you guy's understand omega was feigning his mockery? He works with some boxers, loves the art. He just doesnt like how some boxers think MMA is 'cheap' or how boxing is 'better'

A boxer strikes better then an MMA fighter, but he cant beat one, unless he's tyson.

Some dont admit it.

Jake Steinmann · Post by **Jake Steinmann** » Sun May 21, 2006 2:03 am

AAAhmed46 wrote:oh god, cant you guy's understand omega was feigning his mockery? He works with some boxers, loves the art. He just doesnt like how some boxers think MMA is 'cheap' or how boxing is 'better'

A boxer strikes better then an MMA fighter, but he cant beat one, unless he's tyson.

Some dont admit it.

Most boxer's I've met seriously don't give a #####.

They do their thing; they have no illusions that they're trying to become the next Bruce Lee, Steven Seagal, or whoever. They're just trying to get good enough to win a few trophies and maybe make some money. Or maybe they think it's a more interesting form of exercise then walking on the treadmill all day.

But by and large, they're totally uninterested in the 5th grade "my style is better than your style" garbage that permeates the martial arts, including mixed martial arts.

And I say good for them.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Sun May 21, 2006 6:50 am

look im not saying most boxers do, im just saying that it comes up in some discussions on bullshido.

Hell even on Bas rutten's forum, it came up, and bas addressed it when a guy was having some problems with his boxing coach and thai boxing couch(he was cross training and the boxing coach was saying the thai boxing was useless) and bas basically said "Thai boxing is your wife and boxing is your favriote lover, hell love them both!"
Or something like that.

NEB · Post by **NEB** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:21 pm

oh god, cant you guy's understand omega was feigning his mockery? He works with some boxers, loves the art. He just doesnt like how some boxers think MMA is 'cheap' or how boxing is 'better'

A boxer strikes better then an MMA fighter, but he cant beat one, unless he's tyson.

Some dont admit it.

Maybe I'm feigning my mockery of omega's feigned mockery

Its just for conversation's sake, anyway. And, if you throw a statement in a forum and don't SAY you're kidding around, how are we supposed to know?

nb

thumper_wabbit_dammit · Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:50 pm

Time to get your copy of "Kill or Be Killed" and a tommy gun. Real reality fighting!

You have to admire the Gracies for making an unknown sport from Brazil to an international level. But, I seem to remember Joe Lewis saying he'd rather have gone into pro-football or pro boxing where he could have made real money. If the Gracies could have been successful boxers, you know they'd be where the money is.

Who was it, "Count Dante" I think, who raided other dojos ... he got knifed in the process of gouging some guy's eyes out; or so I remember. Is this what you're training for?

And if you really don't care whether you live or not, strap an explosive belt on.

-Metablade- wrote:One of the main reasons why I never stayed with a certain art for more than a few years was due to most schools' inability or unwillingness to have realistic fighting and situational drills.
It is very true that most arts have highly valuable technique inside of them, but if they are not tested against realistic, new, and consistent scenarios, then what good is the art for fighting in the first place? While I feel that Bullshido.com has in itself it's own sets of narrow-minded "freak-jobs", there is merit to the article.

I view training these days with this mindset:

For the Dojo, the rules and training benefit me as a person, and to help develop my social attitudes towards others, and to aid my personal growth on many levels.
To me, this is the "art" portion: Tradition, education, respect, personal achievement and reaching for excellence.

On the issue of "real fighting" I care about only what works, and frankly, I toss out the rest. This is why despite the hundreds techniques I have been exposed to over the years, I currently only have a core grouping for which I train,
and only because these are tried and true, and have been thoroughly tested through realistic and real life combat.

I should add, that one of the most excellent features of Kendo is that both are encompassed, save for the mental process of "knowing" that you cannot be killed or seriously hurt.

I have always been an advocate of training as the art requires, but also setting apart some training for "real-life" situations and scenarios.

Lastly,
What Bullshido.com and the author of that article is doing isn't new. Flaming other styles as ineffective or deluded has been going on since the inception of Martial Schools.
The only difference being, is that in today's environment, a challenge can be posted in utter safety, rather than showing up to a Dojo, issuing a challenge, and risking life and limb to back up those criticism.

miked · Post by **miked** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:29 am

"Uechi has some major faults, on what we consider 'uechi'. I like to think i dont study uechi-ryu. If somone asks me what my style is i say 'wilson uechi-ryu' simply because it's uechi because we use sanchin, seisan, kanshiwa and the other kata whose names i forgot. Other then the kata, rick teaches whatever works"

Well, to make a statement like this, I woud suggest that you point out specifics, which I have not yet seen in any of your statements concerning Uechi. I have read all of your posts and you have engaged Hawkins Sensei re: Wing Chun but you have yet to point out a single Uechi technqiue which you consider to be a flaw.

Do you believe that Wilson Sensei is the only instructor in the system that teaches in such a manner? If so, how did you come to this judgment? Have you met and trained for significant periods of time with all of the Uechi seniors in the US and in Okinawa? Have you spent any time at all in Okinawa? If so, how much time and with whom? Have you trained with senior TKD, Shotokan and other Wing Chun instructors for significant periods of time?

Additionally, how long have you trained in Uechi-ryu or any one system? I would argue that to make such judgments about various systems then you would have to master each of them before passing judgment on these systems. Have you mastered all of the arts for which you claim have flaws? Do you know all of the forms and have you taken in-depth study of the body dyamincs of each of the styles? The fact that you forgot the names of our forms tells volumes about how much mastery you have over the Uechi system.

Please explain what separates the generation of power from a Uechi perspective from the generation of power from an Aikido perspective or a Wing Chun perspective? No, this is not a trick question and yes, there are differences in power generation so please discuss this matter for all of us who are wondering about your qualifications to make judgments of all of the systems that you have discussed.

Regards,

Mike DeDonato
Los Angeles

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:21 am

miked wrote:"Uechi has some major faults, on what we consider 'uechi'. I like to think i dont study uechi-ryu. If somone asks me what my style is i say 'wilson uechi-ryu' simply because it's uechi because we use sanchin, seisan, kanshiwa and the other kata whose names i forgot. Other then the kata, rick teaches whatever works"

Well, to make a statement like this, I woud suggest that you point out specifics, which I have not yet seen in any of your statements concerning Uechi. I have read all of your posts and you have engaged Hawkins Sensei re: Wing Chun but you have yet to point out a single Uechi technqiue which you consider to be a flaw.

Do you believe that Wilson Sensei is the only instructor in the system that teaches in such a manner? If so, how did you come to this judgment? Have you met and trained for significant periods of time with all of the Uechi seniors in the US and in Okinawa? Have you spent any time at all in Okinawa? If so, how much time and with whom? Have you trained with senior TKD, Shotokan and other Wing Chun instructors for significant periods of time?

Additionally, how long have you trained in Uechi-ryu or any one system? I would argue that to make such judgments about various systems then you would have to master each of them before passing judgment on these systems. Have you mastered all of the arts for which you claim have flaws? Do you know all of tte forms and have you taken in-depth study of the body dyamincs of each of the styles? The fact that you forgot the names of our forms tells volumes about how much mastery you have over the Uechi system.

Please explain what separates the generation of power from a Uechi perspective from the generation of power from an Aikido perspective or a Wing Chun perspective? No, this is not a trick question and yes, there are differences in power generation so please discuss this matter for all of us who are wondering about your qualifications to make judgments of all of the systems that you have discussed.

Regards,

Mike DeDonato
Los Angeles

Well other styles i studied?

I studied bullshido bando karate for 4- 5 years, 4-5 years i will never get back.
I know that rick is very open to new ideas and is constantly updating and changing what we do.
Our knife/gun defence has changed a great deal in how we approche it in just this year.

I have plenty of acquantences and friends who do martial arts as well, i search for people who know martial arts.
At the local gym when pumping iron i sit by the heavy bag and see who hits it, observe then ask what they study. Usually those that hit the bag study something.
I talk with these guys on theory and watch them work on the bag.
A few weeks ago i met with a two MMA guys. In pure technical terms i think i had a better stand up(not ground), hell they said i hit really hard, though they can kick my ass because of thier intent, something im trying to develop.
A few MONTHS ago i met with a BJJ blue belt.
A friend of mind studies Taiji under joseph chen and he is a brown belt in northern white crane kung-fu
And his friend did hung gar and wing chun
Another guy i know...a big guy does wing chun and a style called eight shadows fist( i dont know anything about this style)

BUt on the subject of good/bad uechi....i know guys( and girls) on this board are good. jim malony, van canna, TONY(where is he anyway?) and many on this board approche training admirably.

Rick Wilson · Post by **Rick Wilson** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:07 am

“Do you believe that Wilson Sensei is the only instructor in the system that teaches in such a manner?”

I’m going to step in here and answer this one with – NO.

And the only thing I claim to teach is what is working for us.

Adam is just a little young and enthusiastic about his training.

miked · Post by **miked** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:36 pm

Rick,

Thanks for your post.

I understand that your student is trying to learn as much as he can and I appreciate his enthusiasm for martial arts.

All the best,

Mike D.
Los Angeles