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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:24 pm 
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_ ... slims_pope

"An al-Qaida-linked extremist group warned Pope Benedict XVI on Monday that he and the West were "doomed," as protesters raged across the Muslim world to demand more of an apology from the pontiff for his remarks about Islam and violence."

"The pope on Sunday said he was "deeply sorry" about the angry reaction to his speech last week in which he cited the words of a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of Islam's Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman" and referred to spreading Islam "BY THE SWORD.""

"The group said Muslims would be victorious and addressed the pope as "the worshipper of the cross" saying "you and the West are doomed as you can see from the defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and elsewhere. ... We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) [OR KILLED BY THE SWORD.""

"...more than 100 people rallied in front of the heavily guarded Vatican Embassy in Jakarta, waving banners that said the "Pope is building religion on hatred.""

The appeal by Fikret Karabekmez, a former legislator for the banned pro-Islamic Welfare Party, called for Benedict to be tried under several Turkish laws, among them obstruction of freedom of belief, encouraging discrimination based on religion, and inciting religious hatred."

"In the Middle East, where MUSLIMS THREW FIREBOMBS AT SEVEN CHURCHES in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over the weekend, Christian leaders posted guards outside some churches."

Emphases mine.

First, one obviously can't blame the Pope. It's not as if those reactions to Bush's "crusade" line, the murder of a filmmaker (Netherlands?) critical of Islam, and those northern European cartoons made the news. But at least this is making life a whole lot easier for late night comics.

Some of these Muslim organizations, underdeveloped and in need of resources to provide basic services to their own, might well start exporting irony.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:15 pm 
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Nothing like proving the mans point for him.

Lets show the world how flawed the Popes reasoning is by burning down some Churchs--most of which were not even Catholic and shooting a Nun to death-- in the back---4 times.

"exporting irony" ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:20 pm 
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Dont those people ever think?

"In the name or religion, ill kick your ass for calling my religion violent!"



Though about the nun: Nuns in africa get killed all the time.

Probably a coincidence.

Benny isnt entirely innocent however: Pope John Paul focussed on mending fences from centries old conflicts. Benny seems to want to bring them out again.


"Medieval Christendom did, however, study Islam, for the double purpose of protecting Christians from Muslim blandishments and converting Muslims to Christianity, and Christian scholars, most of them priests or monks, created a body of literature concerning the faith, its Prophet, and his book, polemic in purpose and often scurrilous in tone, designed to protect and discourage rather than to inform".." (From Islam and the West, by Bernard Lewis, pages 85-86)


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So, Ahmed, can you tell us whether this business with the head tax is required by "islam" as the text explains, or by SOME adherents? Seems pretty inexcusably crazy if its on the commandment or principle level.

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IJ wrote:
So, Ahmed, can you tell us whether this business with the head tax is required by "islam" as the text explains, or by SOME adherents? Seems pretty inexcusably crazy if its on the commandment or principle level.


I dont know what head tax is.

But its pretty clear that forcing people to convert is a sin in islam.

Even so called violent versus that have lines such as ''kill all the unbelievers''(part of a larger surah) applies in the middle of a battlefield when a group of people literally say "We will kill all muslims"
and thats the context of it. IE only when attacked by a particular group.



If your talking about jizya tax, yeah thats a tax non-muslims pay under islamic law.

But muslims have thier own tax , which is generally alot more then Jizya.

In other words, if they convert to islam, they would have to pay more.


BUt personally, i do not believe in islamic law, it was made AFTER the time of muhammed.

Yes when mohammed was in power, he ruled under islamic PRINCIPLES, but there was nothing set in stone. Like iran or the taliban may claim.


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From the article:

"... We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose the 'jizya' tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (being killed by) the sword."

Islam forbids drinking alcohol and requires non-Muslims to pay the "jizya" tax, though those who convert are exempt. The tax, sometimes called a head tax, has not been imposed in Muslim nations in about 100 years, though Islamic militant groups have tried to force non-Muslims to pay it on a local level in some countries."

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Strange how these militants just ''happened'' to forget about taxes muslims must pay.........


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AAAhmed46 wrote:
Benny isnt entirely innocent however: Pope John Paul focussed on mending fences from centries old conflicts. Benny seems to want to bring them out again.


I don't know what he WANTS to do, but what he did was dumb. On the other hand, these reactions seem so incredibly amplified and out of proportion. I suppose that just speaks to the type of leadership they have over there.

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I don't know what he WANTS to do, but what he did was dumb. On the other hand, these reactions seem so incredibly amplified and out of proportion. I suppose that just speaks to the type of leadership they have over there.


It's likely that Western provocateurs are getting them stirred up hoping they'll pull off a major attack and shift public sentiment to favor more prolonged conquests in the middleeast.


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bustr wrote:
It's likely ...


I don't think so.

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Don't believe it if you don't want, but the Vatican owns controlling shares of exxon and shell. Just kidding.

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You have no idea how much I hope "bustr" is being sarcastic here.


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cxt wrote:
You have no idea how much I hope "bustr" is being sarcastic here.


Yes, I do! :lol:

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IJ wrote:
Don't believe it if you don't want, but the Vatican owns controlling shares of exxon and shell. Just kidding.


Don't they keep those stock certificates in the same vault with the kiddie porn and the unoffical gospels they won't acknowledge?

Sorry... couldn't resist... :P


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Come on panther, thats a low blow. :wink:

Though i gues i can balance it out with the droves of arabian gay jokes.

There is a basis to it.......


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